[kj] review of new tunes

Wed, 25 Jun 2003 19:22:41 +0200

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just rearranged my holiday, i'm gonna see
FOUR KILLING JOKE SHOWS IN 5 DAYS!!!
I'M OUT OF MY HEAD, I'M OUT OF MY MIND ETC....
(hope to see some of you in belgium/germany/holland)
MATT 

From: "fluw" <fluwdot@earthlink.net>
Reply-To: gathering@misera.net
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 12:21:49 -0500
To: <gathering@misera.net>
Subject: Re: [kj] review of new tunes

nicholas,

you're right i am a fan of the what's this for, revelations, fire dances,
night time, era more than say pandemonium or any of the metal leanings
killing joke has, i know you don't expect it to sound like the early
stuff...but this record definitely has more in common with exdirt (a
borrowed bridge), pandemonium (general style) and the first record (stripped
down meter oriented riffing) than any of the prime 81-85 stuff.

the guitar tone on this record is of the one dimensional type in comparison.
not much of the bells of horror and grace, or howling harmonics, or throaty
longing wails of a four story prehistoric beast looking for a mate - the
licks rarely go anywhere near the complexities of that said 'prime' era or
even democracy for that matter. geordie does show some yummy new sounds and
styles on this record  but overall his playing is more interesting from a
meter perspective.

and the drums ? well, they are excellent, great tones, crisp playing and
state of the hard rock art, yet they mirror the guitar and follow the guitar
as if that is all he had in his head phones. the skins show signs of
invention grounded in very clever technique, not one trying to take the
listener to another reality like big paul does.
this a record that was created by pros tracking at different times and never
having had the alchemical stirring exchange of ideas, that is obvious.

this will be a good record live, it will be fun to pit to. but i have my
reservations about whether it will get as much play on my stereo come 2005
as say fire dances does.

----- Original Message -----
From: nicholas fitzpatrick <mailto:gasw30@hotmail.com>
To: gathering@misera.net
Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 8:09 AM
Subject: Re: [kj] review of new tunes

Well, speaking as someone who's not heard a single note of any of the new
stuff yet (including Loose cannon) I find your review very comforting. This
is particularly the case as - I think - you are a bit of a 'Revelations/Fire
Dances' Joker like me rather than a 'Pandemonium/Dirt...' one. (Don't know
why I think this - must be something you said once). It's not that I'm
expecting KJ2 to sound anything like the early stuff though.

I never really liked 'Dirt...' (I'm not a Metaler) and although Pandemonium
is good and has its great moments, I've been waiting for years for KJ to
deliver something that has the 'F- me factor', as John Peel would say. Going
by what most people seem to be saying on the Gathering, this is it!.

>From: "fluw" <fluwdot@earthlink.net>

>Subject: [kj] review of new tunes

>must start off by stating that technically, from the musicians and the
>production, so far this record is nothing short of flawless
>but................
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>ok:
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>loose cannon - very well executed rhythmically, menacing even,,,,  yet
>rather unimaginative until the little bridge bit gives it a whole other
>feeling, which was very very nice but not quite enough to save it. although
>with some cornrows, "vibe magazine" style scowl and strut, it could be a
>hit? not!
>
>td&rs - sucks gooey donkey knob until the chorus, which is monstrous
>verging on tremendous. still not quite
>
>asteroid  - kinda fun, once. this is filler, plain and simple. would be the
>best tune on a ministry album but considering it is killing joke this is
>pure crap. absolute toss
>
>seeing red -  a really good tune! exciting, with energy, vitality and a
>great bridge via extremties, yet a total fuck off for the blink 182 type
>guitar tone on the verse and an ending that goes flat. (damn)
>
>implant - is a whole song ..it resolves and sounds like a band who worked
>together to come up with something as opposed to professionals doing their
>job very well.
>
>zennon - wow ! fucking hell! where did that come from? a classic, tone,
>riffs, sounds, arrangements and the ghost of hooky. that's two 'whole'
>songs so far
>
>dark forces - has nice space, great drums, production, killer bass grooves
>and some welcome orchestration ( very slight hints of symphonic killing
>joke maybe in the future). vocals are original and interesting. epic tune
>almost
>
>total invasion - wow! sad but true sample of the middle class college non
>comittal pseudo activist chicky. great vocals, great lyrics, very
>effective. this song is what pandemonium could have been with a youthless
>production. chorus has hints of classic geordie, ringing power riffs, minus
>the tone of course. sounds like geordie had a filter in the signal path
>very cool...an electric mistress maybe?,,,wah set to position?
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>the score so far: 5 killer songs, 2 gallant near misses  &
>1 complete tosser
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>"I must Create a System or be enslav'd by another Man's.
>I will not Reason & Compare: my business is to Create."
>-William Blake

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just rearranged my holiday, i'm gonna see 
<H1>FOUR KILLING JOKE SHOWS IN 5 DAYS!!! 
</H1>I'M OUT OF MY HEAD, I'M OUT OF MY MIND ETC.... 
(hope to see some of you in belgium/germany/holland) 
MATT 
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From: &quot;fluw&quot; &lt;fluwdot@earthlink.net&gt; 
Reply-To: gathering@misera.net 
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 12:21:49 -0500 
To: &lt;gathering@misera.net&gt; 
Subject: Re: [kj] review of new tunes 
 
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<BLOCKQUOTE>nicholas, 
 
you're right i am a fan of the what's this for, revelations,=
 fire dances, night time, era more than say pandemonium or any of the metal =
leanings killing joke has, i know you don't expect it to sound like the earl=
y stuff...but this record definitely has more in common with exdirt (a borro=
wed bridge), pandemonium (general style) and the first record (stripped down=
 meter oriented riffing) than any of the prime 81-85 stuff. 
 
the guitar tone on this record is of the one dimensional typ=
e in comparison. not much of the bells of horror and grace, or howling harmo=
nics, or throaty longing wails of a four story prehistoric beast looking for=
 a mate - the licks rarely go anywhere near the complexities of that said 'p=
rime' era or even democracy for that matter. geordie does show some yummy ne=
w sounds and styles on this record &nbsp;but overall his playing is more int=
eresting from a meter perspective. 
 
and the drums ? well, they are excellent, great tones, crisp=
 playing and state of the hard rock art, yet they mirror the guitar and foll=
ow the guitar as if that is all he had in his head phones. the skins show si=
gns of invention grounded in very clever technique, not one trying to take t=
he listener to another reality like big paul does. 
this a record that was created by pros tracking at different times and neve=
r having had the alchemical stirring exchange of ideas, that is obvious. 
 
this will be a good record live, it will be fun to pit to. b=
ut i have my reservations about whether it will get as much play on my stere=
o come 2005 as say fire dances does. &nbsp;&nbsp; 
 
 
 
 
 
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From: nicholas fitzpatrick &lt;mailto:gasw30@hotmail.com&gt; &nbsp;<=
BR>
To: gathering@misera.net 
Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 8:09 AM 
Subject: Re: [kj] review of new tunes 
 
 
 
Well, speaking as someone who's not heard a single note of any of the new <=
BR>
stuff yet (including Loose cannon) I find your review very comforting. This=
 
is particularly the case as - I think - you are a bit of a 'Revelations/Fir=
e 
Dances' Joker like me rather than a 'Pandemonium/Dirt...' one. (Don't know =
 
why I think this - must be something you said once). It's not that I'm 
expecting KJ2 to sound anything like the early stuff though. 
 
I never really liked 'Dirt...' (I'm not a Metaler) and although Pandemonium=
 
is good and has its great moments, I've been waiting for years for KJ to <B=
R>
deliver something that has the 'F- me factor', as John Peel would say. Goin=
g 
by what most people seem to be saying on the Gathering, this is it!. 
 
 
 
&gt;From: &quot;fluw&quot; &lt;fluwdot@earthlink.net&gt; 
 
&gt;Subject: [kj] review of new tunes 
 
&gt;must start off by stating that technically, from the musicians and the =
 
&gt;production, so far this record is nothing short of flawless 
&gt;but................ 
&gt; 
&gt;ok: 
&gt; 
&gt;loose cannon - very well executed rhythmically, menacing even,,,, &nbsp=
;yet 
&gt;rather unimaginative until the little bridge bit gives it a whole other=
 
&gt;feeling, which was very very nice but not quite enough to save it. alth=
ough 
&gt;with some cornrows, &quot;vibe magazine&quot; style scowl and strut, it=
 could be a 
&gt;hit? not! 
&gt; 
&gt;td&amp;rs - sucks gooey donkey knob until the chorus, which is monstrou=
s 
&gt;verging on tremendous. still not quite 
&gt; 
&gt;asteroid &nbsp;- kinda fun, once. this is filler, plain and simple. wou=
ld be the 
&gt;best tune on a ministry album but considering it is killing joke this i=
s 
&gt;pure crap. absolute toss 
&gt; 
&gt;seeing red - &nbsp;a really good tune! exciting, with energy, vitality =
and a 
&gt;great bridge via extremties, yet a total fuck off for the blink 182 typ=
e 
&gt;guitar tone on the verse and an ending that goes flat. (damn) 
&gt; 
&gt;implant - is a whole song ..it resolves and sounds like a band who work=
ed 
&gt;together to come up with something as opposed to professionals doing th=
eir 
&gt;job very well. 
&gt; 
&gt;zennon - wow ! fucking hell! where did that come from? a classic, tone,=
 
&gt;riffs, sounds, arrangements and the ghost of hooky. that's two 'whole' =
 
&gt;songs so far 
&gt; 
&gt;dark forces - has nice space, great drums, production, killer bass groo=
ves 
&gt;and some welcome orchestration ( very slight hints of symphonic killing=
 
&gt;joke maybe in the future). vocals are original and interesting. epic tu=
ne 
&gt;almost 
&gt; 
&gt;total invasion - wow! sad but true sample of the middle class college n=
on 
&gt;comittal pseudo activist chicky. great vocals, great lyrics, very 
&gt;effective. this song is what pandemonium could have been with a youthle=
ss 
&gt;production. chorus has hints of classic geordie, ringing power riffs, m=
inus 
&gt;the tone of course. sounds like geordie had a filter in the signal path=
 
&gt;very cool...an electric mistress maybe?,,,wah set to position? 
&gt; 
&gt;the score so far: 5 killer songs, 2 gallant near misses &nbsp;&amp; 
&gt;1 complete tosser 
&gt; 
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&gt;&quot;I must Create a System or be enslav'd by another Man's. 
&gt;I will not Reason &amp; Compare: my business is to Create.&quot; 
&gt;-William Blake 
 
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