[kj] interview
fluw
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i had two blood relatives within a ball toss of both the pentagon and =
the wtc. a brother and his wife in nyc. and an uncle in d.c. who works =
in the pentagon. was it your intention to imply that, it is offensive =
for jaz to make such a mockery of such serious questions? then i agree =
with you.=20
obviously jaz sees the falseness of what conventional belief on this =
topic ignores with bliss. unfortunately jaz seemed motivated in the =
interview to rush the issue into the limelight but made clumsy =
references that are far from tactical devices for intrigue into a =
serious issue.
was he using killing joke as a vehicle for this topic for personal =
entertainment spectacle, or for the sake of notorious publicity, or =
truth seeking, or all three.=20
i think jaz just "staged" is comment. it was a stilted attempt to get =
some fire into the interview. and it flopped. loose cannon is =
autobiographical ? =20
as for the implications, however phrased. i do not find it offensive to =
suggest a possible link between 911 and US intelligence's possible =
complicity. whether some US intelligence was involved through covert =
complicity, or that 911 was merely a massive intelligence failure and =
bin laden's zealots getting lucky with the collapse?!! the holes are =
there and should be investigated.=20
many people who actually lost relatives on 911 ( a bunch of which i met =
feb.15th/03, at the war opposition rally in mid town manhattan) are very =
very angry at the blatant falsehoods this administration has promoted =
and exploited regarding this tragedy, compounded by the bush =
administration's successful attempts to block the investigation of the =
intelligence failures leading up to 911: =
http://stacks.msnbc.com/news/907379.asp?cp1=3D1
pr 001 - to ask for elaboration into the historical covert atrocities as =
a dictate to gathering how condescending
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----- Original Message -----=20
From: pr 001=20
To: gathering@misera.net=20
Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 4:17 AM
Subject: Re: [kj] interview
>From: "fluw" <fluwdot@earthlink.net>
>
>oh i wouldn't say it is offensive to suggest,
i do. and there are people on this list who lost close relatives on =
9-11 i=20
wonder how they feel about it. also, he wasn't suggesting it, he was =
stating=20
it as fact. (well, i haven't heard the interview actually, but that's =
the=20
impression i got from the quote.)
>history tells us the likelihood that it WASN'T staged is rare.
how does history tell us this? you're going to have to elaborate on =
this=20
claim, todd. and don't just say JFK.
>but i think the term he used, 'staged', is what is incorrect...more =
like=20
>the hijackers where accommodated, their plans harbored, and covertly=20
>accompliced.
yes, but he DID use the term "staged" and so did you. he is claiming =
that=20
the powers that be convinced a bunch of arab zealots to give up their =
own=20
lives so that the USA may invade two arab nations.
like i said, it would be reasonable to suggest that it is possible the =
americans allowed it to happen, but to even state that as hard fact =
betrays=20
a hopelessly deluded mind. to flat out claim that is was perpetrated =
by the=20
USA is nothing short of mental illness. that's how consipiracy =
theorists=20
give themselves away, they don't suggest things as possible but state =
them=20
as unquestionable.
someone really needs to give jaz a slap in the face and tell him to =
stop=20
pretending he's noam chomsky because he isn't. i prefer his more =
personal=20
lyrics, his geopolitics bore me. and he's doing the anti-war movement =
harm=20
by making them look stupid. for example, i agree that technically =
blair is a=20
war criminal by the definition, but when you make that powerful =
accusation=20
alongside such ridiculous claptrap you weaken its effect.
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>i had two blood relatives within a ball =
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the pentagon and the wtc. a brother and his wife in =
nyc. and=20
an uncle in d.c. who works in the pentagon. was it your =
intention to=20
imply that, it is offensive for </FONT><FONT size=3D2>jaz to make =
such a=20
mockery of such serious questions? then i agree with=20
you. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>obviously jaz sees the falseness of what=20
conventional belief on this topic ignores with bliss.=20
unfortunately jaz seemed motivated in the interview to =
rush the=20
issue into the limelight but made clumsy =
references that are far=20
from tactical devices for intrigue into a serious =
issue.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>was he using killing joke as a vehicle for this =
topic for personal entertainment spectacle, or for the sake of =
notorious publicity, or truth seeking, or all =
three. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>i think jaz just "staged" is comment. it =
was a=20
stilted attempt to get some fire into the interview. and it=20
flopped. loose cannon is=20
autobiographical ? </FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV></DIV></FONT></FONT>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>as for the implications, however phrased. i =
do not find=20
it offensive to suggest a possible link between 911 and US =
intelligence's=20
possible complicity. whether some US intelligence was involved =
through=20
covert complicity, or that 911 was merely a massive intelligence =
failure=20
and bin laden's zealots getting lucky with the collapse?!! the =
holes=20
are there and should be investigated. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT><FONT =
size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>many people who=20
actually lost relatives on 911 ( a bunch of which i met=20
feb.15th/03, at the war opposition rally in mid town=20
manhattan) are very very angry at the blatant falsehoods this=20
administration has promoted and exploited regarding this=20
tragedy, compounded by the bush =
administration's successful=20
attempts to block the investigation of the intelligence failures =
leading up=20
to 911: <A=20
href=3D"http://stacks.msnbc.com/news/907379.asp?cp1=3D1">http://stacks.ms=
nbc.com/news/907379.asp?cp1=3D1</A></FONT></DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>pr 001 - to ask for elaboration =
into the historical=20
covert atrocities as a dictate to gathering how=20
condescending</FONT></DIV>
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interview</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>>From: "fluw" <<A=20
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href=3D"mailto:fluwdot@earthlink.net">fluwdot@earthlink.net</A>><BR>&g=
t;<BR>>oh=20
i wouldn't say it is offensive to suggest,<BR><BR>i do. and there are =
people=20
on this list who lost close relatives on 9-11 i <BR>wonder how they =
feel about=20
it. also, he wasn't suggesting it, he was stating <BR>it as fact. =
(well, i=20
haven't heard the interview actually, but that's the <BR>impression i =
got from=20
the quote.)<BR><BR>>history tells us the likelihood that it WASN'T =
staged=20
is rare.<BR><BR>how does history tell us this? you're going to have to =
elaborate on this <BR>claim, todd. and don't just say =
JFK.<BR><BR>>but i=20
think the term he used, 'staged', is what is incorrect...more like =
<BR>>the=20
hijackers where accommodated, their plans harbored, and covertly=20
<BR>>accompliced.<BR><BR>yes, but he DID use the term "staged" and =
so did=20
you. he is claiming that <BR>the powers that be convinced a bunch of =
arab=20
zealots to give up their own <BR>lives so that the USA may invade two =
arab=20
nations.<BR><BR>like i said, it would be reasonable to suggest that it =
is=20
possible the <BR>americans allowed it to happen, but to even state =
that as=20
hard fact betrays <BR>a hopelessly deluded mind. to flat out claim =
that is was=20
perpetrated by the <BR>USA is nothing short of mental illness. that's =
how=20
consipiracy theorists <BR>give themselves away, they don't suggest =
things as=20
possible but state them <BR>as unquestionable.<BR><BR>someone really =
needs to=20
give jaz a slap in the face and tell him to stop <BR>pretending he's =
noam=20
chomsky because he isn't. i prefer his more personal <BR>lyrics, his=20
geopolitics bore me. and he's doing the anti-war movement harm <BR>by =
making=20
them look stupid. for example, i agree that technically blair is a =
<BR>war=20
criminal by the definition, but when you make that powerful accusation =
<BR>alongside such ridiculous claptrap you weaken its=20
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