[kj] Re. .Our Last Goodbye?
Alex Smith
gathering@misera.net
Fri, 10 Oct 2003 17:41:21 -0500
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Don't get me wrong, Sven, I heartily applaud both the sentiment and the
cause of "Our Last Goodbye", but I just do not find it to be musically up to
the usual Killing Joke standards of excellence. At the time (the carefree
days of 2000), the mere fact that Killing Joke were standing in the same
recording studio together (let alone with the Raven back where he belonged)
was enough to restore my dwindling faith in a quasi-benevolent deity, but
"Our Last Goodbye" wasn't the feral kick in the chops that, say, "Money Is
Not Our God" and or "Implant" were on first listen. I just think it feels a
bit rushed and unfinished. Vrenna's certainly a capable drummer, but they
don't pack the same **OOMPH* of Big Paul (producer Bill Kennedy's fault
maybe?), and Geordie's guitars are dipped too heavily in the "very metal"
syrup (as opposed to the malevolent chime).
Just to be fair, I'm spinning it again right now, and maybe it's not
*forgettable*, per se, but I'd hardly call it their finest hour. It just
doesn't stir me in the same manner that, say, "A New Day", "Chop Chop",
"Let's All Go (to the Fire Dances)" or _________ (insert favorite Killing
Joke song here).
Alex in NYC
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From: "Sven Oliver Roth" <rothsvenoliver@hotmail.com>
To: gathering@misera.net
Subject: Re: [kj] Re. .Our Last Goodbye?
Date: Fri, Oct 10, 2003, 11:34 AM
Yes, Alex, honestly!
For once, I have to disagree with you ;)
This track is IMHO definitely not utterly forgettable
for its drum section barrage which is withourt equal in any KJ track,
for its pounding bassline
but of course most of all for its lyrics.
Some time ago there was a discussion going on here if KJ had actually ever
done something like a love song. Some folks went at great pains to
reconsider some pretty aggessive, fierce, sex-oriented etc tracks as kinda
love songs. I had some problems following that interpretation. OK, we
remember this evocative line "do it out of love" in Struggle. But thats
about fighting, ultimately out of love, but its not really about love
itself. Lots of other tracks like Jana are very much about compassion. We
have songs reveling in fond memories of Absent Friends or about going to
where the lunatics roam in places of Lanterns of Hope.
But love between two individuals?
Now read these lyrics:
There's so much to say
And so little time
I'd like to say thank you
For the moments we shared
They open the blinds
I look through the window
Look into my eyes
And never let go
There is so much that you don't see
There is so much that you don't tell
I never told you how much I felt
Now I give you the full truth
Think only the best of me
Think only the best of me
There's only one thing you should know
Love is sweeter than death
And in the moment before you take your last breath
Catch my eye
When you know it's your last embrace
Then we'll say our last goodbyes
And in the moment before you take your last breath
Catch my eye
When you know it's your last embrace
Then we'll say our last goodbyes
In 1997 the USA carried out seventy four executions, the highest number for
four decades. Only China, Saudi Arabia, and Iran were known to have executed
more prisoners.
And in the moment before you take your last breath
Catch my eye
When you know it's your last embrace
Then we'll say our last goodbyes
And in the moment before you take your last breath
Catch my eye
When you know it's your last embrace
Then we'll say our last goodbyes
Killing Joke, Our Last Goodbye
Gosh, someone posted here that he just started crying when first listening
to "You will never get to me". As far as I am concerned, it was this track
that really cought me emotionally. The last goodbye of a loving couple when
one of them is going to be executed. You can almost see how they try to
remain together, how the guards pull them apart.
And then towards the end of the track the melody carries on for a moment
until suddenly the hellmachine of the drums and the bassline are immediately
cut off by the sound of a heavy iron door being shut and locked.
I think this is neither cheap nor tacky nor forgettable. This was done with
regard not to some anonymous suppressed masses but to three young innocent
boys on death row in Mississipi.
Most of KJ exites me, much moves me but this one never seazes to touch my
heart.. Had to get this of the same ;)
Cheers,
Sven
>From: "Alex Smith"
>Reply-To: gathering@misera.net
>To: gathering@misera.net, gathering@misera.net
>Subject: Re: [kj] Re. .Our Last Goodbye?
>Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 08:50:05 -0500
>
>
>" I would even go so far as to say that this was one of their best pieces
>ever. "
>
>Hmmmm. Honestly? I think it's an utterly forgettable track.
>
>Alex in NYC
>
>
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>From: "Sven Oliver Roth"
>To: gathering@misera.net
>Subject: Re: [kj] Re. .Our Last Goodbye?
>Date: Wed, Oct 8, 2003, 5:14 AM
>
>
>Yes, KJ reconvened in 1997 to contribute this amazing song to the West
>Memphis CD. Presently I listen to this amazing piece every morning. I would
>even go so far as to say that this was one of their best pieces ever.
>
>I haven't seen this song anywhere for dowmload so far but got it as track
>No.9 on the "Aotearoa" CD which I bought quite recently on eBay. To my
>surprise I didn't get an "official CD" but a burned copy (although very
>nicely done). I wasn't pissed because of the great and completely unknown KJ
>material (includes also a KJ track made for Paul Verhoeven's movie Show
>Girls).
>
>If the guy who sold this item to me is here on the list, please e-mail me, I
>am curious and have a few questions ;)
>
>
>
>
> >From: Mistress Raevyn
> >Reply-To: gathering@misera.net
> >To: gathering@misera.net
> >Subject: Re: [kj] Re. .Our Last Goodbye?
> >Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 17:12:34 -0700 (PDT)
> >
> >I believe it is on the The West Memphis 3 cd.
> >
> >MR
> >
> >MADELYLE@aol.com wrote:
> >Was the track "Our Last Goodbye" ever on any joke records.If so, which one?
>when did it come out?
> >i've just downloaded it and it's pretty damn good. I would just like to
>know where its place is on the KJ discography.
> >
> >Cheers
> >
> >Lyle
> >
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Don't get me wrong, Sven, I heartily applaud both the sentiment and the cau=
se of "Our Last Goodbye", but I just do not find it to be musicall=
y up to the usual Killing Joke standards of excellence. At the time (the car=
efree days of 2000), the mere fact that Killing Joke were standing in the sa=
me recording studio together (let alone with the Raven back where he belonge=
d) was enough to restore my dwindling faith in a quasi-benevolent deity, but=
"Our Last Goodbye" wasn't the feral kick in the chops that, say, =
"Money Is Not Our God" and or "Implant" were on first li=
sten. I just think it feels a bit rushed and unfinished. Vrenna's certainly =
a capable drummer, but they don't pack the same **OOMPH* of Big Paul (produc=
er Bill Kennedy's fault maybe?), and Geordie's guitars are dipped too heavil=
y in the "very metal" syrup (as opposed to the malevolent chime).<=
BR>
<BR>
Just to be fair, I'm spinning it again right now, and maybe it's not *forge=
ttable*, per se, but I'd hardly call it their finest hour. It just doe=
sn't stir me in the same manner that, say, "A New Day", "Chop=
Chop", "Let's All Go (to the Fire Dances)" or _________ (ins=
ert favorite Killing Joke song here).<BR>
<BR>
Alex in NYC<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
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From: "Sven Oliver Roth" <rothsvenoliver@hotmail.com><BR>
To: gathering@misera.net<BR>
Subject: Re: [kj] Re. .Our Last Goodbye?<BR>
Date: Fri, Oct 10, 2003, 11:34 AM<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE>Yes, Alex, honestly! <BR>
<BR>
For once, I have to disagree with you ;) <BR>
<BR>
This track is IMHO definitely not utterly forgettable <BR>
<BR>
for its drum section barrage which is withourt equal in any KJ track, <BR>
<BR>
for its pounding bassline <BR>
<BR>
but of course most of all for its lyrics. <BR>
<BR>
Some time ago there was a discussion going on here if KJ had actually ever =
done something like a love song. Some folks went at great pains to reconside=
r some pretty aggessive, fierce, sex-oriented etc tracks as kinda love songs=
. I had some problems following that interpretation. OK, we remember this ev=
ocative line "do it out of love" in Struggle. But thats about figh=
ting, ultimately out of love, but its not really about love itself. Lots of =
other tracks like Jana are very much about compassion. We have songs revelin=
g in fond memories of Absent Friends or about going to where the lunatics ro=
am in places of Lanterns of Hope. <BR>
<BR>
But love between two individuals? <BR>
<BR>
Now read these lyrics: <BR>
<BR>
There's so much to say<BR>
And so little time<BR>
I'd like to say thank you<BR>
For the moments we shared<BR>
They open the blinds<BR>
I look through the window<BR>
Look into my eyes<BR>
And never let go<BR>
<BR>
There is so much that you don't see<BR>
There is so much that you don't tell<BR>
I never told you how much I felt<BR>
Now I give you the full truth<BR>
Think only the best of me<BR>
Think only the best of me<BR>
There's only one thing you should know<BR>
Love is sweeter than death <BR>
<BR>
And in the moment before you take your last breath<BR>
Catch my eye<BR>
When you know it's your last embrace<BR>
Then we'll say our last goodbyes<BR>
And in the moment before you take your last breath<BR>
Catch my eye<BR>
When you know it's your last embrace<BR>
Then we'll say our last goodbyes <BR>
<BR>
<I>In 1997 the USA carried out seventy four executions, the highest number =
for four decades. Only China, Saudi Arabia, and Iran were known to have exec=
uted more prisoners.</I> <BR>
<BR>
And in the moment before you take your last breath <BR>
Catch my eye<BR>
When you know it's your last embrace <BR>
Then we'll say our last goodbyes<BR>
And in the moment before you take your last breath <BR>
Catch my eye<BR>
When you know it's your last embrace <BR>
Then we'll say our last goodbyes <BR>
<BR>
Killing Joke, <I>Our Last Goodbye</I> <BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
Gosh, someone posted here that he just started crying when first listening =
to "You will never get to me". As far as I am concerned, it was th=
is track that really cought me emotionally. The last goodbye of a loving cou=
ple when one of them is going to be executed. You can almost see how they tr=
y to remain together, how the guards pull them apart. <BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
And then towards the end of the track the melody carries on for a moment un=
til suddenly the hellmachine of the drums and the bassline are immediately c=
ut off by the sound of a heavy iron door being shut and locked. <BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
I think this is neither cheap nor tacky nor forgettable. This was done with=
regard not to some anonymous suppressed masses but to three young innocent =
boys on death row in Mississipi. <BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
Most of KJ exites me, much moves me but this one never seazes to touch my h=
eart.. Had to get this of the same ;) <BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
Cheers, <BR>
<BR>
Sven <BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
>From: "Alex Smith" <BR>
>Reply-To: <FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF"><U>gathering@misera.net</U></FONT> <BR>
>To: <FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF"><U>gathering@misera.net</U></FONT>, <FONT COL=
OR=3D"#0000FF"><U>gathering@misera.net</U></FONT> <BR>
>Subject: Re: [kj] Re. .Our Last Goodbye? <BR>
>Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 08:50:05 -0500 <BR>
> <BR>
> <BR>
>" I would even go so far as to say that this was one of their best=
pieces <BR>
>ever. " <BR>
> <BR>
>Hmmmm. Honestly? I think it's an utterly forgettable track. <BR>
> <BR>
>Alex in NYC <BR>
> <BR>
> <BR>
>---------- <BR>
>From: "Sven Oliver Roth" <BR>
>To: <FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF"><U>gathering@misera.net</U></FONT> <BR>
>Subject: Re: [kj] Re. .Our Last Goodbye? <BR>
>Date: Wed, Oct 8, 2003, 5:14 AM <BR>
> <BR>
> <BR>
>Yes, KJ reconvened in 1997 to contribute this amazing song to the West =
<BR>
>Memphis CD. Presently I listen to this amazing piece every morning. I w=
ould <BR>
>even go so far as to say that this was one of their best pieces ever. <=
BR>
> <BR>
>I haven't seen this song anywhere for dowmload so far but got it as tra=
ck <BR>
>No.9 on the "Aotearoa" CD which I bought quite recently on eB=
ay. To my <BR>
>surprise I didn't get an "official CD" but a burned copy (alt=
hough very <BR>
>nicely done). I wasn't pissed because of the great and completely unkno=
wn KJ <BR>
>material (includes also a KJ track made for Paul Verhoeven's movie Show=
<BR>
>Girls). <BR>
> <BR>
>If the guy who sold this item to me is here on the list, please e-mail =
me, I <BR>
>am curious and have a few questions ;) <BR>
> <BR>
> <BR>
> <BR>
> <BR>
> >From: Mistress Raevyn <BR>
> >Reply-To: <FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF"><U>gathering@misera.net</U></FONT>=
<BR>
> >To: <FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF"><U>gathering@misera.net</U></FONT> <BR>
> >Subject: Re: [kj] Re. .Our Last Goodbye? <BR>
> >Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 17:12:34 -0700 (PDT) <BR>
> > <BR>
> >I believe it is on the The West Memphis 3 cd. <BR>
> > <BR>
> >MR <BR>
> > <BR>
> ><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF"><U>MADELYLE@aol.com</U></FONT> wrote: <BR>
> >Was the track "Our Last Goodbye" ever on any joke record=
s.If so, which one? <BR>
>when did it come out? <BR>
> >i've just downloaded it and it's pretty damn good. I would just li=
ke to <BR>
>know where its place is on the KJ discography. <BR>
> > <BR>
> >Cheers <BR>
> > <BR>
> >Lyle <BR>
> > <BR>
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