[kj] Bootlegs on line- now tone talk
fluw
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live on this '03 tour there are hints of the harmonics and bells in =
geordie's tone not heard on the record, it sounds like a very chuggy =
version of the extremities tone. although you'll never get to me was =
killer tone wise. live the chime is still there, unfortunately it is =
being obfuscated by and imbued with the red hot searing grind of his =
current amplification. the tones of course are no where near the glory =
days, but geordie and his instrument still produce those sounds and i =
suspect and it is the amplification that is smothering those =
complexities.
some examples of when his new tone excelled live are: the harmonics on =
the wait, these were impressive - being both growly and punchy.=20
the ringing notes on the chorus of total invasion had more life live =
than on record.
blood on your hands had different qualities live as well, especially the =
single note vamp on the bridge instrumental break.=20
seeing red had some chimmy moments that excelled over the record as =
well.=20
that said, when hearing kings and queens live his new tones are very =
substandard to the original, and there are moments in k&Qs, particularly =
during the descending riff on the break were the harmonic twang needs to =
jump out of the mix and grab you by the throat yet didn't. it was a bit =
disappointing.=20
stopping at a guitar store in d.c. while on our way to the baltimore gig =
last week ,adam and i started messing with an mid 50's es225 thinline =
unamplified. this instrument has the same trapeze tailpiece bridge combo =
as those on geordie's es295s. this 225 expressed geordie's riffs with =
the same overtones and rubbery chimming twang as you can here on =
recordings from 82 - 89.=20
so acoustically these type of guitars inherently possess those complex =
geordie 'esque sounds. unfortunately geordie's current amplification is =
suppressing them! that is ok if you like the newer sounds, which i do, =
but not to the degree that that is all from his tone that i want to =
hear. it would be nice to have those sterling growl and howl tones of =
the mid eighties incorporated more prominently.
one reason for his current tone is probably due to preamp distortion. it =
is frustrating because the preamp chug gives the listener the illusion =
of volume and intensity which sounds good initially but it can wear thin =
and anemic lacking those punchy dynamics of the unadulterated tone and =
chime of rich power amp voltage spikes. it would be nice if geordie had =
the luxury of using a more high fidelity option, which contains those =
dense harmonics and frequency characteristics of the original source the =
(es295) as his main tone and get the distortion via pick attack, then =
just incorporate the marshall preamp distortion chug tones heard on the =
new record for those tunes where the song needs the flatter more =
synthetic little barking poodle dog chug. =20
one other note on the amplification; i had forwarded gregg burman's =
email to geordie and raven last april. the word, as you all probably =
remember by my constant cheerleading on the subject was that they had =
established contact with gregg and both geordie and raven had hopes they =
would be getting amps made for the present tour. well unfortunately for =
those hoping to hear geordie once again through burman amps - raven and =
geordie last week mentioned that the cost for the custom amplifiers =
ended up being so stupifyingly high they just could not feasibly get =
them made!=20
all that said, geordie's newest tone is remarkable in comparison to what =
mortal guitarists get and i enjoy/ed hearing it on this record and tour. =
but maybe the gathering should pass the collection basket in order to =
here the 'whole' geordie.
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-- Original Message -----=20
From: pr 001=20
To: gathering@misera.net=20
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 6:32 AM
Subject: Re: [kj] Bootlegs on line
>From: "fluw" <fluwdot@earthlink.net>
>
>classic, damn that tune sounds good! they really should be playing a =
new=20
>day on this tour.
yes, i agree, todd, it's a shame that one never won its place in the =
regular=20
set list. then again, you could say that about quite a few tracks. =
certainly=20
concur with those people saying REVELATIONS is being neglected.
as you mentioned recently, '84 was the time when geordie's sound was =
at it's=20
best (for fans of that particular style, at least) but how would you=20
describe the new sound he's using? for me there seems to be a =
scratchier,=20
brash quality as opposed to the smoother, multi-harmonic tone of the =
classic=20
era. what do you (or anybody else) think? i'm not sure i'm that keen =
on it=20
to be honest but at least he's exploring new ideas and it does work on =
some=20
of the new tracks, just not ideal for a whole set.
concerning the 'lanterns of dope' bootleg - yes, that's the amsterdam=20
soundboard one from '96. good quality recording but poor playing. very =
rare=20
to hear KJ so sloppy, must have really been caned. only a couple of=20
'democracy' tracks on there.
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>live on this '03 tour there are hints of =
the=20
harmonics and bells in geordie's tone not heard on the record, it =
sounds=20
like a very chuggy version of the extremities=20
tone. although you'll never get to me was killer tone wise. =
live the=20
chime is still there, unfortunately it is being =
obfuscated by and=20
imbued with the red hot searing grind of his current amplification. =
the=20
tones of course are no where near the glory days,=20
but geordie and his instrument still produce those sounds and i =
suspect=20
and it is the amplification that is smothering those=20
complexities.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>some examples of when his new tone =
excelled live=20
are: the harmonics on the wait, these were impressive =
- being=20
both growly and punchy. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>the ringing notes on the chorus of total =
invasion had=20
more life live than on record.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>blood on your hands had different qualities live as =
well,=20
especially the single note vamp on the bridge instrumental=20
break. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>seeing red had some chimmy moments that =
excelled=20
over the record as well. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>that said, when hearing kings and queens live his =
new tones=20
are very substandard to the original, and there are moments in=20
k&Qs, particularly during the descending riff on the =
break were=20
the harmonic twang needs to jump out of the mix and grab you =
by the=20
throat yet didn't. it was a bit disappointing. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>stopping at a guitar store in d.c. while on our =
way to=20
the baltimore gig last week ,adam and i started messing with an mid =
50's=20
es225 thinline unamplified. this instrument has the same trapeze =
tailpiece=20
bridge combo as those on geordie's es295s. this 225 expressed =
geordie's=20
riffs with the same overtones and rubbery chimming twang as you can=20
here on recordings from 82 - 89. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>so acoustically these type of guitars inherently =
possess those=20
complex geordie 'esque sounds. unfortunately geordie's current =
amplification is=20
suppressing them! that is ok if you like the newer sounds, =
which i do,=20
but not to the degree that that is all from his tone that i want to=20
hear. it would be nice to have those sterling growl =
and howl=20
tones of the mid eighties incorporated more prominently.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>one reason for his current tone is probably due =
to preamp=20
distortion. it is frustrating because the preamp chug =
gives the=20
listener the illusion of volume and intensity which sounds =
good=20
initially but it can wear thin and anemic lacking those=20
punchy dynamics of the unadulterated tone and chime of =
rich power=20
amp voltage spikes. it would be nice if geordie had the luxury=20
of using a more high fidelity option, which contains =
those dense=20
harmonics and frequency characteristics of the original source the =
(es295) as=20
his main tone and get the distortion via pick attack, =
then just=20
incorporate the marshall preamp distortion chug tones heard on the =
new=20
record for those tunes where the song needs the flatter more =
synthetic=20
little barking poodle dog chug. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>one other note on the </FONT><FONT =
size=3D2>amplification;=20
i had forwarded gregg burman's email to geordie and raven last =
april. the=20
word, as you all probably remember by my constant cheerleading on the =
subject=20
was that they had established contact with gregg and both geordie =
and raven=20
had hopes they would be getting amps made for the present tour. =
well=20
unfortunately for those hoping to hear geordie once again through burman =
amps -=20
raven and geordie last week mentioned that the cost for the custom=20
amplifiers ended up being so stupifyingly high they =
just could=20
not feasibly get them made! </FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>all that said, geordie's newest tone =
is remarkable in=20
comparison to what mortal guitarists get and i enjoy/ed hearing it =
on this=20
record and tour. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>but maybe the gathering should pass the =
collection=20
basket in order to here the 'whole' geordie.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2> </FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV><BR></DIV>>From: "fluw" <<A=20
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href=3D"mailto:fluwdot@earthlink.net">fluwdot@earthlink.net</A>><BR>&g=
t;<BR>>classic,=20
damn that tune sounds good! they really should be playing a new =
<BR>>day on=20
this tour.<BR><BR>yes, i agree, todd, it's a shame that one never won =
its=20
place in the regular <BR>set list. then again, you could say that =
about quite=20
a few tracks. certainly <BR>concur with those people saying =
REVELATIONS is=20
being neglected.<BR><BR>as you mentioned recently, '84 was the time =
when=20
geordie's sound was at it's <BR>best (for fans of that particular =
style, at=20
least) but how would you <BR>describe the new sound he's using? for me =
there=20
seems to be a scratchier, <BR>brash quality as opposed to the =
smoother,=20
multi-harmonic tone of the classic <BR>era. what do you (or anybody =
else)=20
think? i'm not sure i'm that keen on it <BR>to be honest but at least =
he's=20
exploring new ideas and it does work on some <BR>of the new tracks, =
just not=20
ideal for a whole set.<BR><BR>concerning the 'lanterns of dope' =
bootleg - yes,=20
that's the amsterdam <BR>soundboard one from '96. good quality =
recording but=20
poor playing. very rare <BR>to hear KJ so sloppy, must have really =
been caned.=20
only a couple of <BR>'democracy' tracks on=20
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