[kj] o/t son of Thatcher

Rob rob at westwoodassociates.co.uk
Fri Aug 27 08:08:02 EDT 2004 

I think you're confusing the issue - my take is that he invests money in
projects that give a very good rate of return because 1/ they're unlawful,
2/ they're morally questionable and 3/ people are going to get hurt.
Defending him on a technicality (ie. he hasn't been found guilty despite
decades of arms dealing) is admirably British but bloody optimistic.
You're in love with his mum.......
Horbag 

-----Original Message-----
From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On
Behalf Of peter.west410
Sent: 27 August 2004 12:48
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
Subject: Re: [kj] o/t son of Thatcher


Taking a moral stance is a difficult one too call, because everyone has
different morals.Im sure the people warring in Africa think they are morally
just in doing what they are doing. 
    As they are independent nations and peoples,they should deicide the
level of morality.
      If MT was the only one who could provide arms then yes he should
stop.But the facts are ,If he stopped,someone else would provide them.
    I think it comes down too who is at fault ;The provider or the
perpetrator.
      If you went too South America and brought some Bolivian marching
powder back too Heathrow and you got caught by customs,Who would be in
trouble ?You or the person you brought it off?  

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Jim  <mailto:jimharper666 at yahoo.co.uk> Harper 
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the  <mailto:gathering at misera.net>
band!) 
Sent: Friday, August 27, 2004 12:14 PM
Subject: Re: [kj] o/t son of Thatcher

You seem to be missing the obvious point here; even if it isn't Mark
Thatcher forcing them to do what they do, giving them the weapons to do it
is still morally indefensible.

Jim.

"peter.west410" < peter.west410 at ntlworld.com
<mailto:peter.west410 at ntlworld.com> > wrote:

So you are saying Mark Thatcher supplied the machetes too hack limbs,The
matches too burn villages and penises too rape.How can you accuse him of
supplying those?.Or is it a case of "poor African corrupted by European",The
Africans bought the weapons out of choice,And use them as they see fit.
If I went too the builders merchant and bought materials too make a
house.Went away an made one which subsequently fell down.Who s fault would
it be ?mine or the builders merchant?Mine obviously.(It's not the supplier
too blame,It's the person who did it,Who's responsible)
Those kind of things would nt happen in England,I don't believe anybody
in England is capable of amputating a childs limb in the name of revenge,And
as a nation we would nt use systematic rape as a weapon(Which is happening
in Africa NOW)
Your opinion of African nations is that they cant think for
themselves,which is a colonist attitude.If Mark Thatcher is responsible for
conflict in Africa then Arms manufacturers must be responsible for the Gulf
war.NO George and Tony were responsible for the Gulf and Africans are
responsible for African wars.



----- Original Message -----
From: "Neil Perry" 
To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"

Sent: Friday, August 27, 2004 5:01 AM
Subject: Re: [kj] o/t son of Thatcher


> --- "peter.west410" 
> wrote:
>
> > There is far too many people living in
> > Africa
> >
> > Ah, Peter - I sincerely hope you were just saying
> this to provoke
> a response, and don't actually believe it. Substitute
> 'England' for Africa and it would be more accurate.
> Then imagine vicious militia men - perhaps armed with
> wea pons supplied by Mark Thatcher - marching into your
> town, torching everything, maybe raping and killing
> your family, perhaps hacking off a child's limbs in
> front of you, before taking you out and shooting you.
> And if you are still so keen on war, you should be
> careful what you wish for.
> N
>
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Neil Perry" 
> > To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the
> > band!)"
> > 
> > Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 3:16 PM
> > Subject: Re: [kj] o/t son of Thatcher
> >
> >
> > > Humanity? This person has spent his 'career'
> > selling
> > > arms to mercenaries/tinpot dictators and wiping
> > out
> > > 'humanity'. He's killed more people than cancer.
> > > Nothing to do with his parentage - in fact you're
> > > right, I hope he doesn't die in a prison - I hope
> > he
> > > stays just alive enough to suffer. And if you
> > think
> > > union members are parasites, what do you call
> > someone
> > > who gets rich off the countless vicious little
> > African
> > > wars that cause so much misery and destruction?
> > Mark
> > > Thatcher is a scum-sucking piece of crap.
> > > N
> > >
> > > --- "peter.west410" 
> > > wrote:
> > > > It's unfortunate that you judge someone ,before
> > a
> > > > trial or anything.Just
> > > > because someone gets arrested doesn't mean they
> > are
> > > > guilty.
> > > > Or do you think Children should be held
> > > > accountable for their parents
> > > > lifes.If that is your reasoning then MT should
> > be
> > > > released immediately
> > > > ,because Maggie Thatch achieved some great
> > > > things,She destroyed the
> > > > unions(parasites),sold off council houses thus
> > > > destroying scummy council
> > > > estates,Kicked the argies arses and even
> > produced
> > > > her own phallic
> > > > symbol(Canary Wharf)
> > > > She was unpopular,But she sinle-handedly
> > pulled
> > > > the U.K.out of the far
> > > > left labour induced recession ,a case of "Being
> > > > cruel too be kind".
> > > > If you would like anybody too be put in a
> > "
> > > > Dark African jail and
> > > > butt-fucked too death",Then I suggest you plug
> > > > you rself into the internet
> > > > and download a bit of humanity.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Neil Perry" 
> > > > To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the
> > > > band!)"
> > > > 
> > > > Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 4:58 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: [kj] o/t son of Thatcher
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Best news I've heard in a long time. Fuck him,
> > the
> > > > > greasy
> > > > > little arms-dealing scumbag. I've often
> > wondered
> > > > how
> > > > > long it would
> > > > > be before his own stupidity would drop him in
> > the
> > > > > shit. The icing on
> > > > > the cake was after he got arrested, he was in
> > the
> > > > > holding cell in court
> > > > > and he was robbed by the other prisoners, they
> > > > took
> > > > > his shoes, jacket and mobile. I hope he gets
> > put
> > > > away
> > > > > in some dank forgotten South African prison
> > and
> > > > gets
> > > > > buttfucked to death.
> > > > > Now watch his lawyers help him squirm out of
> > the
> > > > whole
> > > > > thing...
> > > > >
> > > > > N, full of the joys of life
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- woody2shooz 
> > wrote:
> > > > > > lost in Africa
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ...again? What is this Grantham gened family
> > up
> > > > to?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > graham>
> > > > >
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