[kj] OT: Fuck Hip Hop - well not all of it

Sun Oct 17 16:56:59 EDT 2004

I think that the NY dolls were part of the glam movement,When exactly did
the Ramones first tour the UK? and the Ramones were never more than a cult
band in the UK.
   Right, you can generally put any noisy, out of tune band and say they
were the original punk band ,some even give examples of bands from the 60s
,saying they can be classed as punk.
     I think the only way to do it is to see where the first single which
was punk as we know it,I put in a search for "First punk single" and it came
up with"New Rose" by "The Damned".
     Right, all we have to do is find out where The Damned came from,and
that place will be where punk originated.
Does anyone know where The Damned came from?


----- Original Message -----
From: "Christof hamille" <wessidetempest at hotmail.com>
To: <gathering at misera.net>
Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2004 3:41 PM
Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Fuck Hip Hop - well not all of it


> Agreed Alex
>
> It seems to obvious.  If you have not read or figured out that none of the
> punk bands in England happened until AFTER the Ramones toured there then
you
> can look at McLaren and realize that he knew NOTHING about it until he saw
> Richard Hell in NYC and came back to England with the infamous white Les
> Paul that was passed on to Steve Jones.  That guitar was originally owned
by
> one Sylvain Sylvain of the NEW YORK DOLLS.  And along with that that is
> where he got the idea of the tattered clothing with the spray painted
> phrases on them.  So no matter how you slice it it started in NYC.  It
> exploded in England.
>
> That is all of the repeated energy I am putting into this
>
> enjoy
>
> Chris
>
> >From: Alexander Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net>
> >Reply-To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"
> ><gathering at misera.net>
> >To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"
> ><gathering at misera.net>
> >Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Fuck Hip Hop - well not all of it
> >Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 22:02:47 -0400
> >
> >
> >Not that it's not a compelling debate, Peter, but with Mik Raven  absent,
I
> >can't summon the stamina to get into it here again.
> >
> >I'll just cite two names to cement my point: THE RAMONES and RICHARD
HELL.
> >
> >Alex in NYC
> >
> >
> >
> >On Saturday, October 16, 2004, at 08:42 PM, peter.west410 wrote:
> >
> >>"As was Punk Rock".
> >>
> >>No way,It may have been conceived in NY,But it was born & breed in the
> >>UK.
> >>
> >>Original Message -----
> >>From: "Rob's Arse" <joker at Z6.com>
> >>To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"
> >><gathering at misera.net>
> >>Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2004 11:00 PM
> >>Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Fuck Hip Hop - well not all of it
> >>
> >>
> >>I never got what they were about. Just didn't.
> >>I have always found them totally alien.
> >>Whiney brats.
> >>
> >>Saw ice Cube once too.Reading festival. So lame it was embarassing.
> >>
> >>--- Mark G Holt <akillingjoker at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> >>
> >>From: Mark G Holt <akillingjoker at yahoo.co.uk>
> >>Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 21:05:04 +0100 (BST)
> >>To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"
> >><gathering at misera.net>
> >>Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Fuck Hip Hop - well not all of it
> >>
> >>
> >>i love the beasties too, alex, for what its worth
> >>
> >>
> >>Alexander Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>   For what it's worth, I think Eminem may indeed be clever --- BUT I'M
> >>   FUCKIN' SICK OF HIM!
> >>
> >>   Hip Hop I *DO* actually like, despite my genre-sweeping condemnation:
> >>
> >>   Public Enemy, Wu-Tang Clan, Busta Rhymes, Jurassic 5, Nas, (some)
> >>   Jay-Z, (some) Geto Boys, and I used to quite enjoy the first record
by
> >>   Das Efx. MC Paul Barman, incidentally, is a thousand times more
> >>   entertaining than Eminem. And I'll always love the Beastie Boys
> >>   (although they've really become a genre unto themselves).
> >>
> >>   Yeah, Hip Hop was born in NYC. As was Punk Rock. That NYC is long
dead
> >>   and gone.
> >>
> >>   Fuck KRS-One, though.
> >>
> >>   Alex in NYC
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>   On Saturday, October 16, 2004, at 11:14 AM, Mark G Holt wrote:
> >>
> >>>That's the Gathering...room for everyone with every opinion and you're
> >>>entitled to yours Leigh....
> >>>We may not agree but w hat the hell
> >>>
> >>>cheers
> >>>
> >>>Mark
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Leigh Newton wrote:
> >>>
> >>>Me, that's who. Fuck Eminem. Joyless cocksucker that
> >>>he is.
> >>>
> >>>Leigh
> >>>
> >>>--- Mark G Holt wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>got to agree here
> >>>>straight outta compton is awesome, and who honestly
> >>>>doesnt either like or respect eminem?
> >>>>then there's the gravel pit.....it's not hip hop
> >>>>that's wrong. it's what some people say without
> >>>>thinking, i believe
> >>>>as for yoga etc, try taoism, it's working for me....
> >>>>
> >>>>cheers
> >>>>
> >>>>mark
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>Devacor at aol.com wrote:
> >>>>In a message dated 10/14/2004 5:23:48 PM Eastern
> >>>>Daylight Time, vassifer at earthlink.net writes:
> >>>>KRS-One, decency zero
> >>>>
> >>>>If Osama Bin Laden ever buy s a rap album, he'll
> >>>>probably start with a
> >>>>CD by KRS-One.
> >>>>
> >>>>The hip-hop anarchist has declared his solidarity
> >>>>with Al Qaeda by
> >>>>asserting that he and other African-Americans
> >>>>"cheered when 9/11
> >>>>happened."
> >>>>
> >>>>The rapper, whose real name is Kris Parker, defiled
> >>>>the memory of those
> >>>>who died in the terrorist attacks as he spouted off
> >>>>at a recent New
> >>>>Yorker Festival panel discussion.
> >>>>
> >>>>I was always let down by KRS- he actually was raised
> >>>>by parents who were trained in mystic yoga and he
> >>>>was brought up that way. He named was actually
> >>>>Krishna, which he changed to kris and "KRS" - he has
> >>>>a lot of insight but wound up just getting
> >>>>sidetracked by sentiment.
> >>>>I recently just rebought the first NWA "Straight
> >>>>ou tta Compton"- its great. I remember my jaw dropped
> >>>>when I heard it when it first came out. It just came
> >>>>outta nowhere and nothing has ever come close.
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