[kj] OT: The great Punk Debate

Tue Oct 19 09:42:03 EDT 2004

Fair points, Rob...but according to whose rulebook is Punk exclusively a politicized movement? Hell, listen to SOME PRODUCT, CARRY ON SEX PISTOLS, and Steve Jones himself denies there being anything "political" about the band (I'm sure Lydon might disagree).

Lest any more feathers get ruffled, let me just state for the record that nine-tenths of my favorite bands -- Punk or otherwise -- are British, British, British. That doesn't change the fact, nor does it blur the clear logic that Punk Rock *STARTED* in the States with the Ramones.

Alex in NYC

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From: Rob's Arse <joker at Z6.com>
Sent: Oct 19, 2004 3:58 AM
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Subject: Re: [kj] OT: The great Punk Debate

<html><body>I still thinks it's superficial compared to what the UK had to contend with in 1976.
I don't see the politicization in the Ramones. Punk in UK sprang up from the most god awful circumstances in the UK which gave it some bite. I just think the Ramones were dumb (with crap hair cuts to boot).
And this isn't a "my pain is worse than your pain thing". It's just how I see it. --- culturevirus <culturevirus at yahoo.com> wrote: From: culturevirus <culturevirus at yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 17:43:00 -0700 (PDT) To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" <gathering at misera.net> Subject: Re: [kj] OT: The great Punk Debate While I think that all "popular music" is nothing more than the standing on the shoulders of a previous generations giants, I've got to side with Alex on this one. I must remind Rob that all the nihlism and up yours attitude necessary can be found on the first Ramones album. A quick look at the song titles reveals the following: "Beat on the Brat", "Judy is a Punk" "Now I Wanna Sniff Some Glue", "Loudmouth" and more. Enough teen angst for the rest of the 70's, the Pistols didn't even need to attend the decade. --- Alexander Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net> wrote: > > "I have always seen the Ramones as an update of the > 60's garage bands. > Great pop songs but never what I would term "punk"." > > ROB, MY BLOOD IS BOILING. I'M GOING TO FLY OVER TO > ENGLAND AND KILL YOU > AND BUILD A HOVERCRAFT WITH YOUR BONES AND SAIL BACK > TO THE STATES ON > IT. > > ALEX IN NYC..HELL BENT ON HOMICIDE > > > > On Sunday, October 17, 2004, at 05:10 PM, Rob's Arse > wrote: > > > > > That's a good point Peter. > > > > I have teased Alex for ages about this, but I have > always viewed the > > Dolls as Glam. Trashy, yes but Glam. > > > > I have always seen the Ramones as an update of the > 60's garage bands. > > Great pop songs but never what I would term > "punk". > > > > Punk is much more than the music. I love the > nihilism of the Pistols > > and the general "up yours" attitude. The WHY? > That's why I belive that > > Punk is English. > > > > You American guys had a good go though. Full marks > for effort lads ;-) ===== I am culturevirus _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Gathering mailing list Gathering at misera.net http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering   <hr>Free email at www.Z6.com ( and home of worldmap.com) </body></html>