[kj] OT: The great Punk Debate

Tue Oct 19 11:55:14 EDT 2004

I'm with Alex on the origins but boy, did the Brits teach you a lesson in
delivery.......

horbag (Aussie)

ps. Steve Jones was in charge of the 3 chords, Lydon was behind the message

-----Original Message-----
From: gathering-bounces at misera.net
[mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of Alex Smith
Sent: 19 October 2004 14:42
To: joker at Z6.com; A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!); A
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Subject: Re: [kj] OT: The great Punk Debate

Fair points, Rob...but according to whose rulebook is Punk exclusively a
politicized movement? Hell, listen to SOME PRODUCT, CARRY ON SEX PISTOLS,
and Steve Jones himself denies there being anything "political" about the
band (I'm sure Lydon might disagree).

Lest any more feathers get ruffled, let me just state for the record that
nine-tenths of my favorite bands -- Punk or otherwise -- are British,
British, British. That doesn't change the fact, nor does it blur the clear
logic that Punk Rock *STARTED* in the States with the Ramones.

Alex in NYC

-----Original Message-----
From: Rob's Arse <joker at Z6.com>
Sent: Oct 19, 2004 3:58 AM
To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"
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Subject: Re: [kj] OT: The great Punk Debate

<html><body><P><FONT face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size=2>I still
thinks it's superficial compared to what the UK had to contend with in
1976.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial size=2>I don't see the politicization in the Ramones.
Punk in UK sprang up from the most god awful circumstances in the UK which
gave it some bite. I just think the Ramones were dumb (with crap hair cuts
to boot).</FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial size=2>And this isn't a "my pain is worse than your pain
thing". It's just how I see it.</FONT><FONT style="FONT-FAMILY:
arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><BR><BR><FONT size=2>--- culturevirus
<culturevirus at yahoo.com> wrote:<BR><BR>From: culturevirus
<culturevirus at yahoo.com><BR>Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 17:43:00 -0700
(PDT)<BR>To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"
<gathering at misera.net><BR>Subject: Re: [kj] OT: The great Punk
Debate<BR><BR>While I think that all "popular music" is nothing more<BR>than
the standing on the shoulders of a previous<BR>generations giants, I've got
to side with Alex on this<BR>one. I must remind Rob that all the nihlism and
up<BR>yours attitude necessary can be found on the first<BR>Ramones album. A
quick look at the song titles<BR>reveals the following: "Beat on the Brat",
"Judy is a<BR>Punk" "Now I Wanna Sniff Some Glue", "Loudmouth" and<BR>more.
Enough teen angst for the rest of the 70's, the<BR>Pistols didn't even need
to attend the decade.<BR>--- Alexander Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net>
wrote:<BR><BR>> <BR>> "I have always seen the Ramones as an update of
the<BR>> 60's garage bands. <BR>> Great pop songs but never what I would
term "punk"."<BR>> <BR>> ROB, MY BLOOD IS BOILING. I'M GOING TO FLY OVER
TO<BR>> ENGLAND AND KILL YOU <BR>> AND BUILD A HOVERCRAFT WITH YOUR BONES
AND SAIL BACK<BR>> TO THE STATES ON <BR>> IT.<BR>> <BR>> ALEX IN NYC..HELL
BENT ON HOMICIDE<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> On Sunday, October 17, 2004, at
05:10 PM, Rob's Arse<BR>> wrote:<BR>> <BR>> ><BR>> > That's a good point
Peter.<BR>> ><BR>> > I have teased Alex for ages about this, but I have<BR>>
always viewed the <BR>> > Dolls as Glam. Trashy, yes but Glam.<BR>> ><BR>> >
I have always seen the Ramones as an update of the<BR>> 60's garage bands.
<BR>> > Great pop songs but never what I would term<BR>> "punk".<BR>> ><BR>>
> Punk is much more than the music. I love the<BR>> nihilism of the Pistols
<BR>> > and the general "up yours" attitude. The WHY?<BR>> That's why I
belive that <BR>> > Punk is English.<BR>> ><BR>> > You American guys had a
good go though. Full marks<BR>> for effort lads
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