[kj] politics

[peter.west410]

Communism and Nazism belong in the past and should stay there.They both
failed because the people never wanted them.They (along with extreme
religion) are Extremism.And that is not the way to go forward.
  They are all backward thinking.

Bin Laden WAS  on a Jihad(HolyWar )
Hitler         WAS a nazi
Pol pot       WAS a Communist.(Full-stop)

----- Original Message -----
From: <Jpwhkj at aol.com>
To: <gathering at misera.net>
Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 11:19 PM
Subject: Re: [kj] politics


> <xps1 at quick.cz> writes:
>
> >I think those differences in "isms" are certainly quite important - I
agree that not that important for those killed - but still there are major
differences. As regards "a small number of people at the top, and a large
number of people at the bottom, and a certain amount of ruthlessness to keep
it that way" is what Communism fights against while it the case of Nazism it
is a corner stone of its very ideology - that there is an elite in the
nation destined to rule while the role of masses is to keep quite and do
what fuhrer (chosen by some metaphysical unhuman force) says.
>
> Firstly, I guess we mean different things by "communism". I'm talking
about the form of government practised in the eastern block for the bulk of
the 20th century. You're right that this wasn't communism as conceived by
Marx, nor probably by the revolutionaries in Tsarist Russia - however, it's
what was understood by most of the world to be communism, including many
"communist" parties in the rest of the world. I agree that the similarity
between this and "true" communism is about the same as the similarity
between the Spanish Inquisition and the teachings of Jesus.
>
> Yes, you're right that the differences are very important. (As indeed I
said.) However, my point was that all forms of government so far have
resulted in quite a lot of misery (not just poverty). Isn't that true?
>
> And, leading on from that, if we're going to avoid repeating the mistakes
and misery of the past, we need to try something new.
>
> >By mere bodycount one would come to a conclusion than US or UK
"democracies" are the most ruthless regimes that ever existed.
>
> I agree that just the bodycount is an insufficient measure of oppression.
>
> >I still believe one shall defend (even capitalist) democracy against
Nazism even though these democracies may murdered but certainly oppressed
more people than Nazism.
>
> Agreed wholeheartedly. Let's continue this one over a beer the next time
you're in London or I'm in Prague...
>
> Cheers,
>
> Jamie
>
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