[kj] ot - land of the free

[Patrick Davies]

The point though Peter is that if it annoys someone is that a valid
reason to have it banned? Protests have to go through checks as it is so
there isn't that much of a distinction. Its about tolerance isn't it.

As to the effectiveness of protest I can only agree with you. I fell out
big time with some old friends who were shocked that an old peace camp
activist like myself didn't march with them. I couldn't find much
alliance with many of the marchers who in their spare time are playing
with stocks and shares and who suddenly had a moral issue with something
staring them in the face but who are quite happy to be ignorant to the
unseen crimes their investment brings.

Its like steve biko said when asked why he wouldn't go and talk to the
South African president. He didn't want to sell out to arpartheid and
join their table, he wanted a brand new table in which everyone could
join it with a clean slate. Taking that concept, I feel that effective
change will only come from us changing completely our ideas, values.
However how many would be prepared to do that? Give up their telly and
microwaved dinners - no way?

Processed food. Now that's an interesting ot topic. Who hear eats
processed food in large quantities? C'mon Peter put your hand up...we
know you do! 

iPat
-----Original Message-----


I think you ll find that gigs aren't allowed if the noise offends
anyone,Gigs at all concert places are subject to strict noise controls.
    If people want to demonstrate ,let them, But I don't want to see or
hear
them.Every week-end in London someone's marching somewhere and no one
takes
a blind bit of notice of their cause,They just cause traffic congestion
and
get in the way.
    And what does it achieve?nothing .1 million people marched against
the
war,What effect did it have? None.Why cant they march around the
countryside,Or will people complain the cows might get pissed off.