[kj] First amongt equals

[Phillipps Marc]

Hooray! 

I was halfway through typing a response but Juliet has just covered pretty
much all I wanted to say :o)



> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Juliet Pleming [SMTP:pricepleming at tiscali.co.uk]
> Sent:	Monday, April 25, 2005 4:23 PM
> To:	'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)'
> Subject:	RE: [kj] First amongt equals
> 
> Go on then, you will anyway. When have you ever asked for permission to
> forward your views before?
> 
> I would like to say that there is not one path that human society
> follows. Our own society is a big melting pot which is becoming more and
> more homogenised. This is because of globalisation, to a large extent.
> But until a few hundred years ago many societies in different parts of
> the world had grown up independently without any awareness or contact
> with each other; for example, Aborigines, Inuit, Maoris and African
> societies. Whatever environment man has found himself in he has adapted
> to. These people had lived in sustainable societies for many hundreds of
> years, until they were discovered by Europeans. These societies were
> quite different from each other. I think that talking about development
> in terms of it being more or less advanced gets up people's noses
> because it means that a judgement is being made about what is better or
> worse. A society is such a complex thing that I would say that it is
> impossible to judge it by one word, or in a very general way. I would
> say that our society is very dependant on the technology that has been
> collectively created and that is a double edged sword. 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]
> On Behalf Of peter.west410
> Sent: 25 April 2005 15:56
> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
> Subject: Re: [kj] First amongt equals
> 
> 
> 
> > By the same token the "developed" world never woke up one morning and
> thought "I know, nuclear fission!" . .
> 
> *********No, It has been a gradual transformation********
> 
> > Society is advanced by need, if you're happy with your life and the
> way
> things are maybe a slightly different way of catching fish is all the
> > advance you will see during your lifetime. This doesn't mean the
> society
> is in anyway backward though, it's just a different set of values.
> 
>  **I never said it was backward.Undeveloped was the word i used**
> 
> 
> > This is maybe not a good example though, it seems pretty clear that
> the
> only way "developed" society maintains its longevity is by exploiting
> the
> "less developed"
> 
> ******I have seen this claim many times,Maybe Im ignorant but i fail to
> see
> it.How is the third world being Exploited on such a grand scale?I
> realise
> that it must happen to a degree as it does in all walks of life.
>    But is it really such a big issue? And surely the rich countries
> contribution to the poor countries out weighs these differences***
> 
> 
> > Also, the increased age span of Western society is bringing its own
> problems in terms of the growing drain on the finances due to the life
> span
> of the retired (remember 65 was an arbitrary figure for retirement based
> purely on the fact that most people at the time would not exceed 5 years
> past their retirement age)
> > >From an evolutionary point of view increased longevity does not
> advance
> society, it probably hinders it in truth.
> 
> *******There are plans to move the retirement age to 70/65(male/female)
> in
> the UK,And no doubt that as  the populations longevity increases so will
> the
> retirement age.*******
> 
>    (P.S. I did say earlier that I know why some societies have developed
> and
> why some havent.(CAN SOMEBODY ASK ME TO TELL THEM THE REASON WHY!!!!)
> 
>              PW
> 
> 
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