[kj] First amongst equals

[Juliet Pleming]

Sorry that sounded a bit arrogant. I just wanted to thank you for saying
what you said.
 
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On Behalf Of Juliet Pleming
Sent: 25 April 2005 16:30
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Subject: RE: [kj] First amongt equals
 
Glad to save you time!
 
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On Behalf Of Phillipps Marc
Sent: 25 April 2005 16:29
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Subject: RE: [kj] First amongt equals
 
Hooray! 
I was halfway through typing a response but Juliet has just covered
pretty much all I wanted to say :o) 
 
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From:   Juliet Pleming [SMTP:pricepleming at tiscali.co.uk] 
Sent:   Monday, April 25, 2005 4:23 PM 
To:     'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)' 
Subject:        RE: [kj] First amongt equals 
Go on then, you will anyway. When have you ever asked for permission to 
forward your views before? 
I would like to say that there is not one path that human society 
follows. Our own society is a big melting pot which is becoming more and

more homogenised. This is because of globalisation, to a large extent. 
But until a few hundred years ago many societies in different parts of 
the world had grown up independently without any awareness or contact 
with each other; for example, Aborigines, Inuit, Maoris and African 
societies. Whatever environment man has found himself in he has adapted 
to. These people had lived in sustainable societies for many hundreds of

years, until they were discovered by Europeans. These societies were 
quite different from each other. I think that talking about development 
in terms of it being more or less advanced gets up people's noses 
because it means that a judgement is being made about what is better or 
worse. A society is such a complex thing that I would say that it is 
impossible to judge it by one word, or in a very general way. I would 
say that our society is very dependant on the technology that has been 
collectively created and that is a double edged sword. 
 
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On Behalf Of peter.west410 
Sent: 25 April 2005 15:56 
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Subject: Re: [kj] First amongt equals 
 
> By the same token the "developed" world never woke up one morning and 
thought "I know, nuclear fission!" . . 
*********No, It has been a gradual transformation******** 
> Society is advanced by need, if you're happy with your life and the 
way 
things are maybe a slightly different way of catching fish is all the 
> advance you will see during your lifetime. This doesn't mean the 
society 
is in anyway backward though, it's just a different set of values. 
 **I never said it was backward.Undeveloped was the word i used** 
 
> This is maybe not a good example though, it seems pretty clear that 
the 
only way "developed" society maintains its longevity is by exploiting 
the 
"less developed" 
******I have seen this claim many times,Maybe Im ignorant but i fail to 
see 
it.How is the third world being Exploited on such a grand scale?I 
realise 
that it must happen to a degree as it does in all walks of life. 
   But is it really such a big issue? And surely the rich countries 
contribution to the poor countries out weighs these differences*** 
 
> Also, the increased age span of Western society is bringing its own 
problems in terms of the growing drain on the finances due to the life 
span 
of the retired (remember 65 was an arbitrary figure for retirement based

purely on the fact that most people at the time would not exceed 5 years

past their retirement age) 
> >From an evolutionary point of view increased longevity does not 
advance 
society, it probably hinders it in truth. 
*******There are plans to move the retirement age to 70/65(male/female) 
in 
the UK,And no doubt that as  the populations longevity increases so will

the 
retirement age.******* 
   (P.S. I did say earlier that I know why some societies have developed

and 
why some havent.(CAN SOMEBODY ASK ME TO TELL THEM THE REASON WHY!!!!) 
             PW 



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