[kj] First amongt equals

[Christof hamille]

Well... not to pat myself on the back but 90% of the time I am going to the 
farm market which is independently run AND it is cheaper and better.  It is 
getting easier to do these things as opposed to 10 years ago BUT there are 
fewer of them.

I guess it just turns into a lifestyle issue.

Chris

>From: "ade" <ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk>
>Reply-To: ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk,"A list about all things Killing Joke 
>(the band!)" <gathering at misera.net>
>To: "'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)'" 
><gathering at misera.net>
>Subject: RE: [kj] First amongt equals
>Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 01:47:17 +0100
>
> >I suppose that you don't agree with the big monopolies ,the Supermarkets
>and
>the multinational corporations.But how many of you are willing to pay extra
>money for fair-trade products?Were you, the consumer pays more and the
>farmer receives a decent wage?
>
>I think the problem with many not wanting to splash-out on 'ethically
>minded'
>products is 'cos there are generations of people now that are used to
>supermarket prices, let alone the whole supermarket culture that they've
>grown up with. If you ain't got the money, you can't spend out. Leave it to
>that tiresome bunch, amongst which I number myself :) to keep it ticking
>-over, which is fine - small steps & that.
>
>So, yeah, I do go over the odds on certain things. So to speak.
>
>
>ade.
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: gathering-bounces at misera.net
>[mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of peter.west410
>Sent: 26 April 2005 01:02
>To: joker at Z6.com; A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
>Subject: Re: [kj] First amongt equals
>
>
>Yes...................................... But
>    Exploitation is not exclusive too:from first to third world countries.
>UK farmers are also being Exploited by the supermarkets, whose buying power
>gives them total control over everything.Before ,the farmer used to sell to
>individual shops and markets ,But since the growth of supermarket chains
>the small shops have disappeared and the only person who will buy is the
>supermarkets and they dictate the price ,usually giving farmers minimal if
>any profit.
>    This happens the world over,Everyone wants to make maximum profit and
>everyone wants minimum expenditure.
>    Question for everyone:
>I suppose that you don't agree with the big monopolies ,the Supermarkets 
>and
>the multinational corporations.But how many of you are willing to pay extra
>money for fair-trade products?Were you, the consumer pays more and the
>farmer receives a decent wage?
>     Who regularly puts their money where their mouth is?Or are people more
>concerned with maximum profit and minimal expenditure..........just like 
>the
>corporations that you so despise.
>
>      PW
>
>
>
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Rob's Arse" <joker at Z6.com>
>To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"
><gathering at misera.net>
>Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 4:36 PM
>Subject: Re: [kj] First amongt equals
>
>
> > One good example is Monsanto and their genetically moidifed crops woth
>terminator genes.
> > This means that the seed planted germinates and produces a good crop, 
>but
>it does not produce a crop seed that can be planted and used for the next
>year. Therefore the poor farmer (usually in the thrid world) cannot use 
>some
>of his crop for next season, he has to buy more fresh seed from Monsanto
>with the teminator gene in.
> >
> > Then thefarmer usually has to sell through a government co-operative at
>the prices set by the co-opertaive who then have lucrative deals with
>Nabisco etc.
> >
> > The upshot if that the farmer is being exploited by  1. Monsanto to buy
>their crop that yields well and gives quick cash, as opposed to a lesser
>yielding plant with better return for the farmer but over a loinger period
>of time. 2. The local governmant co-operative and 3. The big cereal or
>cotton companies etc
> >
> > And that's just one example Peter and there are many many more, some
>involving Oil, some involving minerals, some involving rare earths, metals,
>coffe, cocoa etc. Many of which come from Africa. Where people live in mud
>huts. Much of the time, we fail to see the link in our daily lives to
>exploitation. We are all guilty.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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