[kj] OT: Tookie and Arnie

[Scarlet]

Papa Lazarou :)

Well in part it came from the line "And God look at the society he lived
in."
Trouble with all political models is that we will always have some kind of
polemic argument going on in the background.  Polemicists like Tookie will
always come to the surface.

Unfortunately per the general public, the only way to deal with polemicists
like Tookie is to be another Tookie, as Raymond Lee Washington found out. In
Tookie's case the State of California was the other polemicist.

>From Tookie's autobiography: "I was beginning to understand that my
experiences with the dysfunctional status quo of the prison culture - as
well as drug addiction, poverty, gangsterism, racism, and other roadblocks -
had become the excuses that defined my life. But no longer would my life, my
being, be dictated by blind ignorance. Nor would I ever again allow the
excuse of circumstance to dictate who I should be. It was daily studying and
questioning that prompted my soul searching. I began to develop a sense of
critical reasoning from which sprang the first stirrings of conscience. This
was the moment when redemption infused itself into my life."

I think this line of resoning has found a martyr.

ALWays
Scarlet

On 12/13/05, Papa Lazarou <circuit_bender at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Scarlet, not sure if you are referring to me as 'blaming society'? If as a
> political model, then yes. If as in the general public, no. Although one is
> subject to the other.
>
> *Scarlet <lucyfyre at gmail.com>* wrote:
>
> Will George get the death penalty too?
>
> I bloody hope so. Personally I think a fitting death would be to slowly
> drown him in oil while he sucks his Father's dick.  However, it is very easy
> to blame society for George's actions too. As I said to a Republican friend
> of mine the other day "How many of us can actually say we've chosen to vote
> for a mass-murdering drug lord?"
>
> Scarlet
> "Dave, my wife tells me there is a block in your toilet...there is now."
>
>
> On 12/13/05, Will George get the death penalty too?<
> circuit_bender at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > I live in LA, and must say gangs are much more 'stylized' than the rest
> > of the world. Fashionable even lol!
> > I thought tookie was from South Central, Florence and somewhere?
> > Will George get the death penalty too?
> >
> > *Scarlet <lucyfyre at gmail.com>* wrote:
> >
> >  Thing is, not everyone in East LA becomes the head of a crime
> > organization, killing people just 'cause they don't have the r ight colored
> > bandana, or worse, 'cause they were running away scared. He did. So, if some
> > people have the guts not to do these things, why couldn't he?
> >
> > Blaming society for your actions is a cowards way out. The thing is,
> > even if he was a 'bi-product' of society, he continued to endorse that
> > bi-product, until he was in jail, funny that, so that would mean ipso facto
> > society works - and we all know it doesn't. Tookie justified his actions
> > through his society and tried to rectify his actions through society and
> > ultimately died because of the rules of his society.
> >
> > Personally, I believe if we are going to change society, the first
> > thing to do is change ourselves. As opposed to Tookie whose moral was "If we
> > are going to change society, the first thing we do is take what we want and
> > shoot anyone who gets in our way.
> >
> > Scar
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