: [kj] OT: Tsunmi== few thoughts on the topic death,n after

Sun Jan 9 17:03:15 EST 2005

No, I don't think ideas (or memes) have any other tangible form than
the words that represent them. As Mr X says, they can cause physical
objects to be created/purchased, etc. but I don't see anything special
about that. I need food? I get it.

The bit about energy never dying though - fair comment. Unless any
energy we host is spent/dissipates during the decomposition process,
I can't say where it goes!

ade

-----Original Message-----
From: gathering-bounces at misera.net
[mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of johnny bongo
Sent: 09 January 2005 21:35
To: ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk; A list about all things Killing Joke (the
band!)
Subject: RE: : [kj] OT: Tsunmi== few thoughts on the topic death,n after

...but when you think about it. . .
are thoughts tangible physical objects?  not really, but are they real to
us, very.. i reckon the invisible has more relevance than most grant it...
wormfood? only the cast off physical vehicle.. the essence of what is left
(the invisible bits) is energy... which never dies...
=]

--- "ade" <ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk> wrote:

Hmm..  fair  comment.  My opinion: I just think when we're gone
we're wormfood
& don't get thinking you'll be coming back.

-----Original Message-----
From: gathering-bounces at misera.net
[mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of melinda grant
Sent: 08 January 2005 22:30
To: gathering at misera.net
Subject:  RE:  :  [kj]  OT:  Tsunmi== few thoughts on the topic
death,n after

certainly  should not impose the western views  on the east/far
east
ect....n,btw---theres  areas  of  the world do have a different
view on death,n
personally  i  agree  with  them--  as  said earlier by another
gatherer-- these
parts of the world do not believe that death is the end,n that
re-incarnation   plays   a   heavy   role   in   there  thought
process-weather that is
re-incarnation  back  into this dimention,we all know as planet
earth/or
re-incarnation back into another dimention( as you are all well
aware,there
are  many--n  those  who disagree with that,up to them,i prefur
not to limit
myself  to just the 1 dmn)to me makes alot of common sence==the
east have it
right/as  in  correct  way of viewing that thing we all know as
death=======mel
  ps see you in the next dimention/or life lol

>From: "xxxxxxxxxx" <xxxxxxxxxx at whitemail.ie>
>Reply-To:  xxxxxxxxxx at whitemail.ie,"A  list  about  all things
Killing Joke
>(the band!)" <gathering at misera.net>
>To: gathering at misera.net
>Subject: : [kj] OT: Tsunami: USA partly to blame for deaths
>oftensofthousands
>Date: Sat,  8 Jan 2005 21:59:35 +0000
>
>
>
>I was actually referring too :People who are alive,Their views
of the dead.
>Yes ,Im sure every human strives too survive.
>but  the way people view death is different.And as it happened
in the East
>,We  should  understand  their ways of thinking before we pass
judgement,Or
>should we impose our western views on them?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>East, west, doesn't matter. The human organism is the same
>everywhere.  It  strives w/everything it will ever have to TRY
to
>live a life as full as no human has ever yet lived, and fights
>with every thought, feeling and cell in its body to keep from
>dying,  even  if it thought ripping off its own hands would do
the
>the trick. It's unfathomable, really.
>That's what I see 150,000 of, being destroyed by nature.
>No matter how comfy easterners are with death, still doesn't
>make  it  any  less,  or  should  it  'couch'  in  any way our
acceptance
>of it. Or maybe I'm just not getting why/how you qualify
>western views on the issue.
>
>
>--- xxxxxxxxxx <xxxxxxxxxx at whitemail.ie> wrote:
>
> > I think you guys are making the mistake of confusing the
> > Eastern way of life with the Western way of life.
> > Western values,A life is unique and something to hold on
> > too at all costs.Eastern values ,Life is generally hard and
> > miserable and when you die you are reincarnated to a better
> > life,So when death occurs ,People are not generally as sad
> > because they see it as moving on to a better
> > life(reincarnation).
> > I am not saying that Eastern people dont care ,They do.They
> > just dont see death as being the end.
>
>But you don't say how that 'confusion/mistake' has skewed
>people's critical evaluation of the lives lost. You seem to
>imply  that the west is somehow viewing this all as "too" this
or
>"too" that. Pls explain.
>
> > And the ""Money property assets before lives.." slogan
> > applies to us all.The amount of people that died in the
> > tsunami(150 000)die every 10 days in Africa through various
> > causes and
>
>would you give your"money property assets" to save
> > these lives:
> > Is your answer yes or no,To these painful truths?
>
>NO.
>It's not my job to sacrifice everything i have to save the
>world.  Nothing  in  my  genetic  code  or  set of experiences
prepares
>me for that or justifies my or anyone having to do so. So then
>why do you ask that question?
>
>
> > "Money property assets before lives.."
>
> > --- ade <ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > > they removed the previous guy for having an itchy trigger
>finger (costing money),replace him
> > > with people who are well aware of the cost to business if
an
> > > alarm
>  > > goes off & then finally re-instate the original guy 'cos
at
> > > least he'll be willing to set the alarm off!
> > >
> > > "Profits over people..."
>
>
>=====
>... ... ... ... ... ...
>As the masters rot on walls
>And the angels eat their grapes
>I watched picasso
>visit the planet of the apes
>
>
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