[kj] explanation... and today's news

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I agree with Rob. Certainly Swastika is in recent history a symbol of
Nazism, the most cruel and reactionary movement and regime of all times
whose danger is still exists. It is more than offensive to say the least and
only only towards Jews, but towards many nations, social groups and so on.
Programme of Nazism was not abused, but like this from the very beginning.
 
Hammer and sickle is very different case. Not only "Communist" regimes were
completely different from Nazism, but it is was a stolen symbol by those
regimes since they represented not continuity of Communist tradition but its
negation. Hammer and sickle was (is) symbol not only of those regimes and
those who supported them, but also of those movements who actually opposed
them and fought them - inside and outside those countries.
 
Similarily with various symbols of "democratic" regimes: although they might
be responsible for more death and more oppressed than Nazism (if we stick to
bodycount as a measure - which i think is absolutely superficial), they are
not programatically for genocide or other things for what Nazis stand, so
their symbols I dont find offensive in any measure as symbol of Nazism.
 
Opposing Zionism is a good thing in my view, but it shallby no means lead us
to any tolerance towards Nazism, including its symbols.
 
Pavel
 
 
 
 
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From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On
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Subject: RE: [kj] explanation... and today's news



Bollocks

I'm not Jewish but I find the Swastika offensive. I think of the Swastika as
a symbol of a regime that destroyed, butchered, murdered, raped and stole.
It reminds me of what happens when people do not stand up and let their
voices be heard. 

Isn't it the job of the media to bring these things to our attention?

Isn't it a great thing that the media exists to highlight to us what the
tools and symbols of oppression are? We have a relatively free media
freedom, true they abuse it, but at least I can make that decision. Many
people in the world do not get such a chance. I'm glad that the media exists
to tell me what Saddam was doing, what Mugabe does, what Blair and Bush do.

And I believe that many people did indeed find the hammer and sickle
offensive in the eighties when it was shown as a symbol of an oppressive
regime. That may or may not be true, but think about it, what does the stars
and stripes represent these days. Freedom? Yeah, I'm laughing.

People suffer because of regimes, regimes identify themselves with symbols
and if knowing what that symbol represents keeps me from being sucked in,
then I want to know about it!

So NEVER forget what the Swastika means.



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From: "xxxxxxxxxx" <xxxxxxxxxx at whitemail.ie>
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 15:08:07 +0000
To: gathering at misera.net
Subject: RE: [kj] explanation... and today's news



I do feel that the Zionists and the media have hi-jacked the Swastika,They
seem to imply that they were the only ones effected(Harry has been advised
to visit Austvich and watch Schindlers list).All minorities(and majorities)
were targeted by the Nazis.Many British & allied soldiers lost their lives
to the Nazis,Yet the only complaints seem to be coming from people who use
the atrocities too further their Zionist cause.
The communists were responsible for upto 60 million deaths ,yet people dont
find the hammer & sickle offensive.
Zionists seem to think they have a monopoly on suffering.The American
Indians were near enough completely wiped out ,12 million I believe.Yet
would anybody have complained if Harry went as a cowboy?probably not ,As
there are no American Indians left to complain.
The Armenians have suffered terribly as have the Cambodians recently,And the
tootsies and Hutus have been systematically trying to wipe each other out.
In no-way am i trying to offend Jewish people or sympathise with the Nazis.I
just had a point of view i wanted to make.
I would just like to make it clear that I am not Anti-Jewish and am NOT a
nazi sympathiser


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