[kj] semi-OT: Music vs. Message

[Kevin]

Enjoyed reading your thoughts & responses.  Though a newbie, sometimes I think KJ are more apolitical, focusing more on the individual turning away from the masses.  Then again this could just be my perception of life that I bring to the table when listening to KJ.  I've turned quite a few people on to KJ via "Age Of Greed" and "$ is not our god."  Question for anyone out there, having never taken Latin in school, I could never figure out the latin phrases written on the album, and until now, didn't think to ask if anyone else knew what the phrases say.  Also, loved the fact that Roy Harper got a mention in the credits, being a Harper fan, having seen him at the Bottom Line, NYC, a few years ago, before their rent went crazy.  I think mostly I appreciates the fact that KJ take chances, that Jaz is willing to say what he thinks, and the aggressive nature doesn't hurt either.  I've always read that "Outside The Gate" was a terrible album, but having listened to KJ from album to album, I thought it fit, "Outside The Gate" is one of my all time favorites.  Thanks for letting me ramble.--- On Tue 01/18, xps1 < xps1 at quick.cz > wrote:
From: xps1 [mailto: xps1 at quick.cz]To: gathering at misera.netDate: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 21:20:58 +0100Subject: RE: [kj] semi-OT: Music vs. Message

What I like about KJ is that although KJ is that although their music is quite dark it is not simply introvert and some songs are dealing with political issues.KJ are certainly not directly political band - directly political bands are (were) Redskins or Chumbawamba is (to name some)... that are clearly "agitprop" bands for certain political party/movement unlike KJ. KJ have some political songs, but still quite emotionalas well .... which I like. What is politics of KJ (or their songs)? I think really it is populism combining ideas of different political currents... it contains - environmentalism (sometimes even a bit in a "back to the trees" form)- thirdworldism / anti-imperialism- pacifism- anti-neoliberalism/anti-globalisationit is politically incoherent, you can hardly say what are KJs political believes as a band (but I still like some lyrics a lot) Reading and seeing some interviews with Jaz it seems to me that his "politics" is actually more confused than what would you estimate after reading their songs lyrics, even though Jaz wants to start his political career soon standing in elections for Green Party. And finally, chatting with many of you - KJ fans - I would say that KJ fans tend to be politically more radical (and leftist) than the band. :) ----- few exceptions prove the rule. :D Pavel           From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of first fossilSent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 2:04 PMTo: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)Subject: Re: [kj] semi-OT: Music vs. MessageNot endorsing what? I don't follow you.........  Age of Greed is about what goes through the head of a worker exploited by a fat cat boss. Total Invasion is an anti-imperialist song.  What I was trying to say was that those 2 direct politically-charged songs were in the minority and Killing Joke is not a manifesto so its fanbase is not going to be limited to one way of thinking.  Anyway, thanks for the Martin Luther King stuff you sent, I read it, passed it on. fluwdot at earthlink.net wrote:
age of greed and total invasion aren't endorsements!how simplisticand no it isn't surprising people miss construe lyrics or the irony slips their conscious grasp but so often efforts to reason and react are endevors undertaken by sentients


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