[kj]Alex is Actually Still Quite Right

Sun May 1 18:01:56 EDT 2005

At the end of the day, the song is Tim Buckley's (as, I believe, you 
yourself pointed out).

The Cocteau Twins have -- once again -- NEVER, NEVER, NEVER released 
"Song to the Siren". Members of the band happened to record a version, 
though under the direction and cooperation of the studio conglomerate 
that was This Mortal Coil. That they have performed it live is 
incidental. U2 have performed "Love Will Tear Us Apart" live. That 
doesn't make it theirs.

This is, of course, a completely ridiculous debate. As both Peter and I 
are well aware, Robin and Liz of the Cocteaus are the ones who lend 
This Mortal Coil's "Song to the Siren" its greatness. When I first 
heard this version of "Song to the Siren", it was courtesy of a mix 
tape my friend Charlie -- spending a year in a British college -- which 
included no listing. When I later quizzed him about it, I believe he 
said "Oh, it's the Cocteau Twins." So, off I went in search of "Song to 
the Siren" as recorded by the Cocteau Twins.....WHICH, IN POINT OF 
FACT, DOES NOT EXIST. "Song to the Siren" -- with Liz and Robin of the 
Cocteaus -- as it turned out, was recorded and released by This Mortal 
Coil.

I'm just giving as good as you give, Peter. Contrary to what some may 
glean from this thread, I don't have any serious ill will for you. You 
are a nice funny guy, and as far as I'm concerned, this argument is 
just a bit of contentious fun. But you still need to find a way to plug 
up that pipeline of verbal waste product that has as a faithfully 
regular habit of spewing into and polluting the otherwise crystalline 
waters of the Gatherers.

Incidentally, I just downloaded Robert Plant's rendition of "Song to 
the Siren," and I think we can all agree that it's a shivering dollop 
of yak dung when compared to any of the other versions.

MOUTH DIAPER!!!

Alex in NYC

On Sunday, May 1, 2005, at 05:47 PM, peter.west410 wrote:

> http://www.cocteautwins.com/html/media/audio.html
>
>
> So Alex you dont believe me,You question my honesty.Check above .
>     It was on the radio and thus on the net.And it doesnt matter when 
> it was
> recorded as this is the version that i was referring to.
>     For arguments sake TMC did a version and SO did the Cocteaus.Whose 
> song
> is it?Tim Buckleys.
>    And I did nt refer to anything specifically.All i said was STTS by 
> CT
>
>          PW
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Alexander Smith" <vassifer at earthlink.net>
> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"
> <gathering at misera.net>
> Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2005 10:27 PM
> Subject: Re: [kj]Alex is Actually Still Right
>
>
>>
>> For a start, Pierre, I didn't call you a racist or a sexist. I *DID*
>> call you a "dick," because you are behaving like one.
>>
>> Secondly, please cite the source of the text. Moreover, unless you 
>> were
>> *AT* that particular gig and *REFERRED TO IT SPECIFICALLY* in your
>> original post (which you did not), you're still wrong. In any event,
>> the version of "Song to the Siren" on IT'LL END IN TEARS by This 
>> Mortal
>> Coil (featuring MEMBERS of the Cocteau Twins) **PRE-DATES THE RADIO
>> SESSION YOU ARE NOW ALLUDING TO BY A DECADE & A HALF"** What's more, I
>> do not believe this particular session was over officially released to
>> the marketplace.
>>
>> You could take it a step further and suggest that the Cocteaus were
>> actually covering the cover.
>>
>> So, to sum up, you're still wrong, you're still stubborn and -- yes --
>> you are still a silly dick in critical need of a mouth diaper.
>>
>> Alex in NYC
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, May 1, 2005, at 04:30 PM, peter.west410 wrote:
>>
>>> Now stop your stupid arguments Alex.Here is proof, PROOF that The
>>> Cocteau
>>> Twins did a version of STTS.The last sentence is undeniable proof 
>>> that
>>> they
>>> played it.
>>>    I realise that numerous other people have also covered it(Robert
>>> Plant
>>> and techno versions amongst others).But I originally stated that the
>>> Cocteau
>>> twins version was second best..................And this is the 
>>> version
>>> that
>>> I was referring to.You cannot argue that fact.
>>>     So the best thing that you can do is, Call me a dick(or a racist 
>>> or
>>> sexist) and say that you ll never read my posts again or respond to 
>>> me.
>>>     I now declare this argument over ,with me the winner.
>>>          PW
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Song to the Siren (Live Version)-Although this song, from the first
>>> This
>>> Mortal Coil LP, It'll End in Tears, was performed around 1983 and
>>> 1984, it
>>> was not heard again during live performances until the mid 1990's,
>>> when the
>>> Cocteau Twins surprised and delighted audiences with a rare, sensual
>>> reprisal of this classic Tim Buckley ballad. This live recording is
>>> from the
>>> 1995 Radio France Black Session
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Alexander Smith" <vassifer at earthlink.net>
>>> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"
>>> <gathering at misera.net>
>>> Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2005 4:40 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [kj] Homework for Robs Arse
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I am pedantic. I'm also being RIGHT. Unlike you, who are just being
>>>> WRONG and TOO STUBBORN and PIG-HEADED to admit it. Moreover, Simon
>>>> Raymonde (the third Cocteau Twin) does NOT play on "Song to the
>>>> Siren",
>>>> making it EVEN LESS a song by the Cocteau Twins.
>>>>
>>>> There was no official live Cocteau Twins album, thus any listing on
>>>> any
>>>> bootleg is flimsy proof for your already flimsy argument.
>>>>
>>>> How's the search for that mouth diaper coming along?
>>>>
>>>> Alex in NYC
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
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