[kj] re: jihad

[iPat]

you can disagree as much as you like, you constantly deny blatent
facts to fit your own parameters. The fact that the media misinterpret
the meaning of the word doesnt mean that one - in this case Jaz - isnt
allowed to use it in its proper context.

On 5/13/05, peter.west410 <peter.west410 at ntlworld.com> wrote:
> I disagree.
>   The term "Jihad" may of had a different meaning in the days of
> Mohammed.But in this day and age Jihad means"Muslim holy war against
> unbelievers*"
>   Whatever the term used to mean ,it has in modern times taken on a
> different meaning courtesy of "Islamic Jihad" The Middle Eastern terror
> group ,who main purpose is to destroy Israel.Their main weapon is suicide
> bombers on Israeli buses.
> 
> *Oxford dictionary
> 
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> Subject: Re: [kj] re: jihad
> 
> The Meaning of the Concept of "Jihad"
> 
> Another concept that deserves clarification due to the content of this
> article is the concept of "jihad".
> 
> The exact meaning of "Jihad" is "effort". That is, in Islam, "to carry
> out jihad" is "to show efforts, to struggle". Prophet Muhammad
> explained that "the greatest jihad is the one a person carries out
> against his lower soul". What is meant by "lower soul" here is the
> selfish desires and ambitions. A struggle given on intellectual
> grounds against anti-religious, atheist views is also a form of jihad
> in its complete sense.
> 
> Apart from these ideological and spiritual meanings, struggle in the
> physical sense is also considered as "jihad". However, as explained
> above, this has to be a struggle carried out solely for defensive
> purposes. The use of the concept of "jihad" for acts of aggression
> against innocent people, that is for terror, would be unjust and a
> great distortion.
> 
> On 5/13/05, first fossil <firstfossil at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > Yeah, Jihad is a learning exercise. It's better when the "Arabic" music is
> > more subtly woven into the Killing Joke sound. Like the magnificent
> > Pandemonium song and maybe Pilgrimage. Communion's a bit of a misfire
> > though.
> >
> > But why in the name of Mohammed did he call it "Jihad"? Ministry too, they
> > called their Arabic song "Hizbollah". It's like someone dabbling in Irish
> > folk and calling their song "IRA".
> >
> 
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"Truth is a pathless land. Man cannot come to it through any
organisation, through any creed, through any dogma, priest or ritual,
nor through any philosophic knowledge or psychological technique. He
has to find it through the mirror of relationship, through the
understanding of the contents of his own mind, through observation and
not through intellectual analysis or introspective dissection..."