[kj] re: jihad/Beyrouth

[bernies at ntlworld.com]

What a pity it's not possible to filter out this shit from the Gathering digest. 
> 
> From: "peter.west410" <peter.west410 at ntlworld.com>
> Date: 2005/05/14 Sat PM 10:31:51 GMT
> To: "iPat" <pmdavies at gmail.com>, 
> 	"A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" <gathering at misera.net>
> Subject: Re: [kj] re: jihad/Beyrouth
> 
> "You may disagree with the widely used concensus that
> chelsea bought the league, but by your own arguments you seem to
> suggest that we should accept this as its now widely used!"
> 
>    These are two completely different issues.One(Jihad) is dealing with what
> a word means,its correct usage and how it is generally perceived .
>    And the other is dealing with Business/sporting issue(Did CFC buy the
> PL.)
> If you would like to make similarities with the football world then the
> nearest comparisons I can think of is:
> Should the MK Dons be known as Wimbledon or MK Dons?
> (That is like the Jihad discussion)
> and:Are Hamas a terror group or a Social group
> (That could equate to did CFC buy the league)
> PW
> 
> P.S Have you left for Geordieland yet,as I may be going as well.But I wont
> find out until tomorrow
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "iPat" <pmdavies at gmail.com>
> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"
> <gathering at misera.net>
> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2005 6:29 PM
> Subject: Re: [kj] re: jihad/Beyrouth
> 
> 
> i accept that you shouldnt simply blame the media for everything,
> however your referencing the term of Jihad comes from the media as i
> doubt that any of you are accessing Islamic istes. I refer you to the
> The The material in the 80's that was warning about the islamaphobia
> seeds being sewn by Thatcher and the religious right.
> Coming onto your point which simply mirrored my aknowledgement that
> terms can change meaning and the gay term is an overused example. If
> there is a general concensus that x is right it doesnt neceaaraily
> mean that it is. You may disagree with the widely used concensus that
> chelsea bought the league, but by your own arguments you seem to
> suggest that we should accept this as its now widely used!
> as to your final note, people can use whatever term they want if its
> their artform. If you are so closed to this practice one wonders what
> attracts you to this particular band but then again we sort of get the
> gist of your purpose here.
> 
> over and out, off to newcastle
> 
> On 5/14/05, peter.west410 <peter.west410 at ntlworld.com> wrote:
> > You really cant blame the media for everything.They only report on what
> > happens,The Islamic groups called themselves "Jihad" not the media.
> >    Its nothing to do with "Individuality or follow the leader" Its to do
> > with correctly understanding each other.You are free to use the word
> > "Jihad"in whatever context you so wish,But you are liable to be
> > misunderstood.
> >     Language is an evolving form and its important to keep up,Would you
> tell
> > everyone "Its such a nice day today,Im feeling rather gay?"
> >    No you would nt ,because "gay" used to mean "happy", but now it means
> "a
> > poof".So words do change there meaning.
> >     Why do you want to use Arabic words anyway?Surely you can find English
> > words that everyone will understand.
> >
> >        PW
> >
> 
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