[kj] Pigface? ... and more futile attempts at defending theDamageManual

Wed May 18 13:57:59 EDT 2005

And to add the first Pigface lp is almost completely crap...BUT LIVE...they 
were amazing

Chris

>From: "Christof hamille" <wessidetempest at hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" 
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>To: gathering at misera.net
>Subject: Re: [kj] Pigface? ... and more futile attempts at defending 
>theDamageManual
>Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 12:46:38 -0500
>
>Pigface started off as exactly that.  It was the, in all essence, the 
>backup band of Ministry - Al Jourgenson.  Even BArker was involved early 
>on. The first few albums and several tours had people that were in the band 
>for the fun of it as there regualr bands were still going (for the most 
>part).  It seemed like by the time they got past Notes from Thee 
>Underground the whole dynamic changed and not for the better.
>Age is catching up to Martin Atkins and he cannot pull it off live like he 
>used to.  Watching hearing him live used to be awe inspiring.  And Pigface 
>revolved around his drumming ability (listen to Fook).
>All star line ups can surely suck.  Especially if they are there for the 
>career advancement or $$.  But they can also be brilliant when they are 
>they as true collaborators which is what early Pigface was.
>Now it is Atkins last attempt to work and a stepping stone for those 
>attempting to stay in the musical limelight.
>
>Pigface is your last stop before getting a day job.
>
>Chris
>
>>From: Ed Grapes <dadsizedpantz at yahoo.co.uk>
>>Reply-To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" 
>><gathering at misera.net>
>>To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" 
>><gathering at misera.net>
>>Subject: Re: [kj] Pigface? ... and more futile attempts at defending 
>>theDamage Manual
>>Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 18:17:43 +0100 (BST)
>>
>>Mind you, I liked the recent-ish Damage Manual album "Limited Edition" 
>>(although this title does invite gags to the effect that they wouldn't 
>>need to reel off too many copies, because who's going to buy it, eh?  EH 
>>... ?  Go on, bring it on, you know you want to ...)  The double cd of 
>>remixes has some good moments on it too.  As for Pigface, it still strikes 
>>me that this eclectic lineup makes for a interesting prospect.  This is 
>>probably an odd attitude to take, but I like the element of chance about a 
>>gig, nice to be pleasantly surprised sometimes ... some gigs I've gone to 
>>that I've had misgivings about have been great.  And vice versa ... this 
>>"artistic collaborations with people in their prime" thing - obviously 
>>seeing people at the top of their game is fantastic, but your expectations 
>>can be higher, and often it can turn out to be a bit cosy - and sometimes 
>>because they're the men (or women) of the moment, complacency and 
>>arrogance kicks in, and they don't make the effor
>>  t -  and
>>  as for "people needing work" - fuck yeah, we all do, I doubt many of the 
>>musicians discussed on this site are so well set that they just play for 
>>the hell of it, would say that's a bit misty eyed ...
>>
>>Christof hamille <wessidetempest at hotmail.com> wrote:1. I wouldn't go for 
>>this lineup. Some of the lineups in the past seem like
>>true artistic collaborations with people in their prime. This lineup, like
>>others, seems more like people needing work.
>>2. $15 is average compared to today's sad standards BUT usually the 
>>pigface
>>lineup consisted of at least 10 people if not much more.
>>3. Martin Atkins is not the drummer he used to be. Stamina, age something.
>>I saw him for the Damage Manual tour a few years back and he is just
>>not...En Esch used to always be entertaining but I cannot speak of 
>>recently.
>>
>>I would consider this more of a Pigfarce.
>>
>>Chris
>>
>> >From: gregslawson at aol.com
>> >Reply-To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"
>> >
>> >To: gathering at misera.net
>> >Subject: Re: [kj] Pigface?
>> >Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 08:31:19 -0400
>> >
>> >The lineup includes Charles Levi & Curse Mackey from Thrill Kill Kult, 
>>En
>> >Esch from KMFDM, and also Hanin Elias (Atari Teenage Riot), Krztoff 
>>(Bile),
>> >and Lacey Conner (Nocturne).
>> >
>> >-----Original Message-----
>> >From: Phillipps Marc
>> >To: 'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)'
>> >
>> >Sent: Wed, 18 May 2005 13:26:23 +0100
>> >Subject: RE: [kj] Pigface?
>> >
>> >
>> >Depends on the lineup
>> >
>> > >From what I have heard they are rather hit & miss live
>> >
>> > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > From: gregslawson at aol.com [SMTP:gregslawson at aol.com]
>> > > Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 1:16 PM
>> > > To: gathering at misera.net
>> > > Subject: [kj] Pigface?
>> > >
>> > > Just saw in the paper, Pigface plays in Boston tonite. I know people
>> >hate
>> > > Atkins for some reason, but musically are they worth paying $15 to 
>>see?
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