[kj] ****SPAM**** OT: Beatle Appreciation ad nauseum

[Robert Mallett]

Alex
That's the problem - I can't see the talent, not remotely. People believe 
they're talented because ythey're told they are in my opinion. No offence.

Bob
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From: "Alex Smith" <vassifer at earthlink.net>
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>

> The Beatles may have been many things -- overrated, hypocritical, crass, 

> cynical, maddeningly ubiquotous, etc. -- but "talentless" is an adjective 

> that simply doesn't apply to them. You may not like what they did with 

> their talents, but you can't take that talent away from them.

>

> To be fair, Barry Manilow has talents as well -- that doesn't mean I like 

> him or support him or wish him anything but excruciating death -- but I'd 

> never say he wasn't talented.

>

> Alex in NYC

>

>

>

> -----Original Message-----

>>From: Robert Mallett <robert at jrcardwell.fsnet.co.uk>

>>Sent: Dec 12, 2006 8:34 AM

>>To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" 

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>>Subject: Re: [kj] ****SPAM****   OT: Beatle Appreciation ad nauseum

>>

>>I, on the contrary, find them very very easy to ignore, because they just

>>fill me with indifference. talentless twats always do. no offence Rob 

>>mate,

>>but I just can't see the appeal.

>>

>>Bob

>>----- Original Message ----- 

>>From: "Rob Horan" <Rob at westwoodassociates.co.uk>

>>To: "Alex Smith" <vassifer at earthlink.net>; "A list about all things 

>>Killing

>>Joke (the band!)" <gathering at misera.net>

>>Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 12:13 PM

>>Subject: Re: [kj] ****SPAM**** OT: Beatle Appreciation ad nauseum

>>

>>

>>> Alex,

>>> I couldn't agree more, really well written...this Mojo issue was a

>>> riveting read (not least because of the great Joke article and the

>>> awesome picture of Jaz) and the fact that so many musicians rate The

>>> Beatles as an influence got me back into them. Granted, their popularity

>>> is completely overboard (hence the vehement opinions on this list) and

>>> Mojo does them way too frequently but I find them impossible to ignore.

>>>

>>> Rob

>>>

>>> -----Original Message-----

>>> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]

>>> On Behalf Of Alex Smith

>>> Sent: 11 December 2006 18:59

>>> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!); A list about all

>>> things Killing Joke (the band!)

>>> Subject: ****SPAM**** [kj] OT: Beatle Appreciation ad nauseum

>>>

>>>

>>> As long as I'm throwing caution to the four winds -- count me among the

>>> Beatle fans. Here's a post I wrote on my stupid blog

>>> (http://vassifer.blogs.com) a few months ago addressing the very topic:

>>>

>>> Inspired by the cover story in the latest issue of endearingly rockist

>>> Brit music mag, Mojo (which I picked up not least for its interview with

>>> Lemmy, but also a completely ass-whuppin' feature on Killing Joke), I

>>> dialed up a scrambled selection of Beatles `choons for my walk to work

>>> on Friday morning. Now, granted,the world needs another cover story

>>> about the Beatles like it needs another cover story about Britney

>>> Spears' shoddy parenting, but at least Mojo provided an interesting

>>> take. Along with an in-depth examination of the band circa their

>>> hotly-debated best album, Revolver, the issue features a wide array of

>>> musicians opining on their favorite Beatles tracks, and some of the

>>> answers are surprising and insightful, or at least enough to have made

>>> me want to listen to the Fabs again.

>>>

>>>

>>> While it may be a hip, punky, iconoclastic thing to allign oneself with,

>>> I've never been a member of the "I Hate the Beatles" contingent. Sure,

>>> there are precious few demographics more worthy of strenuous ridicule

>>> than obsessive Beatles fans (apart from maybe Trekkies and/or people who

>>> insist on repeating dialogue from Monty Python at parties), but as far

>>> as I'm concerned, if you dont enjoy the Beatles, then you probably don't

>>> enjoy rock'n'roll. I can sympathize with someone feeling maybe

>>> hype-fatigue over them, but honestly, if you can't find something to

>>> appreciate in the band's vast catalog, then you should probably hock

>>> your stereo and take up macram or bass fishing or quantity-surveying. Or

>>> heroin.

>>>

>>> So even though Jaz Coleman of Killing Joke claims to hate the Beatles

>>> and Glen Matlock was purportedly booted from the Sex Pistols for liking

>>> them, I still stand in reasonably respectable company in declaring my

>>> fandom for them (Siouxsie Sioux, Ozzy Osbourne and Lemmy all count

>>> themselves as fans). In terms of narrowing it down to a single Beatles

>>> tune, I don't think I could do it. Certainly there are loads that could

>>> be permanently retired (does anyone really need to hear "Hey Jude"

>>> or"All You Need is Love" ever again?), but then I was always a fan of

>>> their darker stuff like "Run For Your Life" (a bitter death threat

>>> dressed up as a jauntily harmony-laden pop tune) and, of course, "Helter

>>> Skelter" -- the somewhat obvious go-to track whenever someone laments

>>> the saccharine tweeness of Paul McCartney. That this screamy, proto-punk

>>> guitar blitzkrieg which inspired a gang of murderous faux-hippies to

>>> carve up a gaggle of unsuspecting Californians was penned and performed

>>> by the

>>> same man who wrote "Martha My Dear" (let alone that both tracks appear

>>> on the same album) continues to amaze me. And for all their peerless

>>> musical chops, knack for instantly affecting melody and effortless gift

>>> for lyrics, the Beatles managed to sound weird, trippy, sinister, scary

>>> and even evil in ways that their contemporaries in the Rolling Stones

>>> could never touch. For all of the Satanic bluster in much of the Stones'

>>> work, there isn't a single song in their catalog that can give me the

>>> unsettling creeps like "Only a Northern Song," "Cry, Baby, Cry," "Long,

>>> Long, Long," "Revolution #9," "A Day in the Life" and that discordant

>>> flute freakout at the end of "Strawberry Fields" still can. That's what

>>> defines them for me. There is just something so timelessly familiar yet

>>> so indefinably other about much of the Beatles' music, that they simply

>>> are without peers.

>>>

>>> That all said, in no discernible order, herewith Alex in NYC's....

>>> Top Ten Favorite Beatles Songs:

>>> 1. "I Am the Walrus"

>>> 2. "Hey Bulldog"

>>> 3. "I'm Down"

>>> 4. "She's Leaving Home"

>>> 5. "You Know My Name, Look Up the Number"

>>> 6. "I'm Only Sleeping"

>>> 7. "Martha My Dear"

>>> 8. "And I Love Her"

>>> 9. "You Won't See Me"

>>> 10. "Tomorrow Never Knows"

>>>

>>> oh fuck it...

>>>

>>> 11. "I Want You (She's So Heavy)"

>>> 12. "Everybody's Got Something To Hide (`cept For Me and My Monkey)"

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> -----Original Message-----

>>>>From: Leigh Newton <angrytomhanks at yahoo.com>

>>>>Sent: Dec 11, 2006 1:31 PM

>>>>To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"

>>> <gathering at misera.net>

>>>>Subject: Re: [kj] Pleasure/Pain , One Word.............

>>>>

>>>>Beatles were great. Some amazing songs. Some sucky. Lots of mediocre.

>>> Revolver and Rubber Soul are both wicked. Sgt. Peppers is crap. Totally

>>> overrated. Piper at the Gates of Dawn usurps it in every way.

>>>>

>>>>Leigh

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>----- Original Message ----

>>>>From: Robert Mallett <robert at jrcardwell.fsnet.co.uk>

>>>>To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

>>> <gathering at misera.net>

>>>>Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 12:13:27 PM

>>>>Subject: Re: [kj] Pleasure/Pain , One Word.............

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>Hooray!!

>>>>

>>>>Come on vote - people died for the right

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>----- Original Message ----- 

>>>>From: "Daniel Corvo" <danielcorvo at hotmail.co.uk>

>>>>To: <gathering at misera.net>

>>>>Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 4:47 PM

>>>>Subject: Re: [kj] Pleasure/Pain , One Word.............

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>> Here's my vote= shite

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>>From: "Robert Mallett" <robert at jrcardwell.fsnet.co.uk>

>>>>>>Reply-To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the

>>>>>>band!)"<gathering at misera.net>

>>>>>>To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"

>>>>>><gathering at misera.net>

>>>>>>Subject: Re: [kj] Pleasure/Pain , One Word.............

>>>>>>Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 15:22:35 -0000

>>>>>>

>>>>>>why the hell are you sorry for me? the Beatles were shite. take a

>>> vote in

>>>>>>here and see for yourself. prefab 4 is a fekkin understatement, not

>>> to

>>>>>>mention wife beating dickheads. get real girl, for fekk's sake

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>----- Original Message -----

>>>>>>From: "Lennonka" <svoje.ja at centrum.cz>

>>>>>>To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"

>>>>>><gathering at misera.net>

>>>>>>Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 3:11 PM

>>>>>>Subject: Re: [kj] Pleasure/Pain , One Word.............

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> > I'm so sorry for you.

>>>>>> > But I'm very grateful for your explanation.

>>>>>> > Have a good day.

>>>>>> >

>>>>>> > Lennonka

>>>>>> > ______________________________________________________________

>>>>>> >> Od: robert at jrcardwell.fsnet.co.uk

>>>>>> >> Komu: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"

>>>>>> >> <gathering at misera.net>

>>>>>> >> Datum: 11.12.2006 15:43

>>>>>> >> Pedmt: Re: [kj] Pleasure/Pain , One Word.............

>>>>>> >>

>>>>>> >>OK

>>>>>> >>

>>>>>> >>in blunt language - I can imagine Coleman thought Lennon was a

>>>>>> > pretentious

>>>>>> >>tosser who's 'songs' had no bearing on reality. Driving around in

>>>>>>flowery

>>>>>> >

>>>>>> >>Rolls Royce's is hardly a sign of being tuned in. And I have to

>>> say I

>>>>>> > would

>>>>>> >>agree because I think it's very healthy to absolutely hate the

>>> Beatles.

>>>>>> >>

>>>>>> >>Bob

>>>>>> >>----- Original Message -----

>>>>>> >>From: "Lennonka" <svoje.ja at centrum.cz>

>>>>>> >>To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"

>>>>>> >><gathering at misera.net>

>>>>>> >>Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 1:56 PM

>>>>>> >>Subject: Re: [kj] Pleasure/Pain , One Word.............

>>>>>> >>

>>>>>> >>

>>>>>> >>> Ehm... ?

>>>>>> >>> I'm probably not getting this.

>>>>>> >>> But I will ask his majesty for explanation one day.

>>>>>> >>> Thanks for inspiration.

>>>>>> >>>

>>>>>> >>> Have good time!

>>>>>> >>> Lennonka

>>>>>> >>> ______________________________________________________________

>>>>>> >>>> Od: robert at jrcardwell.fsnet.co.uk

>>>>>> >>>> Komu: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"

>>>>>> >>>> <gathering at misera.net>

>>>>>> >>>> Datum: 11.12.2006 14:47

>>>>>> >>>> Pedmt: Re: [kj] Pleasure/Pain , One Word.............

>>>>>> >>>>

>>>>>> >>>>Lennonika

>>>>>> >>>>

>>>>>> >>>>I think what the guys are trying to say is that it's very hard

>>> to

>>>>>> >>> reconcile

>>>>>> >>>>Lennon's millionaire hippy status, and the radio friendly

>>> platitudes

>>>>>>he

>>>>>> >>>>produced with the edgy, fury driven sound of the Joke. The

>>> music, the

>>>>>> >>>>lyrics, the way of life of the Joke simply don't work alongside

>>> stuff

>>>>>> >>> like

>>>>>> >>>>that. If you don't believe me, ask Coleman, I'm sure he'd have

>>> plenty

>>>>>> > to

>>>>>> >>>>say.

>>>>>> >>>>

>>>>>> >>>>Bob

>>>>>> >>>>----- Original Message -----

>>>>>> >>>>From: "Lennonka" <svoje.ja at centrum.cz>

>>>>>> >>>>To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"

>>>>>> >>>><gathering at misera.net>

>>>>>> >>>>Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 1:28 PM

>>>>>> >>>>Subject: Re: [kj] Pleasure/Pain , One Word.............

>>>>>> >>>>

>>>>>> >>>>

>>>>>> >>>>> Look at your own limits, sins and errors, you poor thing! ; D

>>>>>> >>>>>

>>>>>> >>>>> With best wishes

>>>>>> >>>>> Lennonka

>>>>>> >>>>> ______________________________________________________________

>>>>>> >>>>>> Od: b.s.crack at generalmail.de

>>>>>> >>>>>> Komu: gathering at misera.net

>>>>>> >>>>>> Datum: 09.12.2006 11:21

>>>>>> >>>>>> Pedmt: [kj]  Pleasure/Pain , One Word.............

>>>>>> >>>>>>

>>>>>> >>>>>>Lennons solo music was even worse . His last few albums before

>>> he

>>>>>> >>>>>>dies were dire , getting shot was a great career move for him

>>> . He

>>>>>> > was

>>>>>> >>>>>>heading into oblivion .

>>>>>> >>>>>>   I always felt that he was one dimensional , his spheres of

>>>>>> >>>>>> topics

>>>>>> >>>>>>were very limited . He could write a song about a Religion,

>>> about

>>>>>>his

>>>>>> >>>>>>women, about his Baby and about his Mum and that's about it .

>>> Do

>>>>>> >>>>>>you

>>>>>> >>>>>>see a patten emerging? He could only write songs about things

>>> that

>>>>>> >>>>>>directly affected him, so his song topics were extremely

>>> limited .

>>>>>> >>>>>>There were no depth to his songs , NOT in the same e ;league

>>> as a

>>>>>>Bob

>>>>>> >>>>>>Dylan or Lenard Cohen, who could write songs about a variety

>>> of

>>>>>> >>>>>>different subjects .

>>>>>> >>>>>>   If Lennon would have survived, his next album would have

>>> been

>>>>>> >>>>>> all

>>>>>> >>>>>>about the unpleasantness of getting shop, such was his limits

>>> of

>>>>>> >>>>>>his

>>>>>> >>>>>>spheres of projectory

>>>>>> >>>>>>

>>>>>> >>>>>>

>>>>>> >>>>>>

>>>>>> >>>>>>

>>>>>> >>>>>>From: "folk devil" <folkdevil_23 at hotmail.com>

>>>>>> >>>>>>> Reply-To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the

>>>>>> >>>>>>> band!)"<gathering at misera.net>

>>>>>> >>>>>>> To: gathering at misera.net

>>>>>> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [kj] Pleasure/Pain , One Word.............

>>>>>> >>>>>>> Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2006 12:10:18 -0800

>>>>>> >>>>>>>

>>>>>> >>>>>>> and Lennon's solo music is the same?

>>>>>> >>>>>>

>>>>>> >>>>>>

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