[kj] R.I.P. James Brown

[Mik Raven]

Hmm. This list is not what it was. Even reasonable people I used to like
seem to have degenerated into something I no longer recognize. Peter is the
only one here who seems to talk sense, even though most of it is just there
to wind you all up. Have nice lives people. I'm off to find out how to
unsubscribe from this shit. Your open minds have become very closed. Reminds
me very much of Mr Coleman.

Mik

-----Original Message-----
From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On
Behalf Of BS Crack
Sent: 26 December 2006 17:48
To: vassifer at earthlink.net; gathering at misera.net
Cc: gathering at misera.net
Subject: Re: [kj] R.I.P. James Brown


I personally dislike all the outlandish claims people make after someone
died. Claims that bear no resemblance to reality, for example:
"but the man's influence extends far and wide beyond simply funk and hip hop
(neither of which would've existed without his contributions)"
Alex: Do you really believe that had James Brown not entered the music
business then funk and hip hop would never have been invented? James Brown
had predecessors who influenced him , music is an evolving form and numerous
people have contributed to musics evolution. To say that One man is solely
responsible for not one, but two genres of music is a huge exaggeration.
If James Brown hadnt have been born, then music today would still be exactly
the same as it is now. 
He was just as famous for his dance steps than he was for the music he made.
Can anyone sing ten James Brown songs?...........five?.........well apart
from his two famous songs, can anyone sing or hum any of his other tunes?
Because I certainly cant.

"James Brown practically *INVENTED* stage presence" 
So you are saying that before James Brown there was nt anybody who had any
"stage presence"? I cant disagree because I dont know .

"And judging James Brown via his cameos in "The Blues Brothers" or "Rocky
IV" or whatever is like judging Killing Joke solely by OUTSIDE THE GATE."

Well no. James Browns contribution to the Rocky film gave him his only UK
Number 1.





--- vassifer at earthlink.net wrote:

From: Alex Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net>
To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"
<gathering at misera.net>, "'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)'"
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Subject: Re: [kj] R.I.P. James Brown
Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 12:16:31 -0500 (EST)


"The only music he influenced was crap..."

Sorry, Mik, but this is just a patently ridiculous statement. Again, I'm not
saying you have to like James Brown, but the man's influence extends far and
wide beyond simply funk and hip hop (neither of which would've existed
without his contributions). James Brown practically *INVENTED* stage
presence -- Iggy Pop, Robert Plant, Ian McCulloch, Jaz Coleman, Joe Stummer
-- none of them can top, let alone touch what James Brown was. He was as
crucial a performer/innovator/artist as anyone you can name. 

This just reminds me of the Beatles conversation we had a couple of weeks
ago. I know it seems like a really, punky, iconoclastic thing to say that
you don't like James Brown (who was inarguably "punker" than any band you
can name -- listen to "Say It Loud, I"m Black & I"m Proud" and consider the
context of the times), but to not recognize his influence and contribution
just makes you seem a bit narrow, misinformed and, frankly, dim.

And judging James Brown via his cameos in "The Blues Brothers" or "Rocky IV"
or whatever is like judging Killing Joke solely by OUTSIDE THE GATE.

Alex in NYC




and he was just a criminal who some people thought

>> could sing.





-----Original Message-----

>From: Mik Raven <mik at corvids.eclipse.co.uk>

>Sent: Dec 26, 2006 11:55 AM

>To: "'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)'"

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>Subject: Re: [kj] R.I.P. James Brown

>

>No I can't hear anything I like whatsoever in his music. Does that make me

>myopic? Guess I'll go find my reading glasses then! :-) Actually, never

been

>a big fan of change either. IMHO not one of the Joke's better ditties.

>

>Mik

>

>-----Original Message-----

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>Behalf Of Stephen Robinson

>Sent: 26 December 2006 10:39

>To: A list about all things Killing Joke (t

>Subject: Re: [kj] R.I.P. James Brown

>

>You can't hear the power, excitment and simple funk power in his beats? 

>

>If the only music he influenced was crap, do that mean you think Change was

>crap?

>

>> James Brown was shit but the Blues Brothers was quite an entertaining

>> film. I will not shed a tear for James Brown but dread the endless

>> tributes that are bound to follow his death. The only music he

>> influenced was crap and he was just a criminal who some people thought

>> could sing.

>>

>> Mik

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