[kj] OT : those infamous Jyllands-Posten cartoons ...

[ade]

Here goes: maybe those professional troublemakers in the Middle East are
simply happy to use ANY excuse to have a go at their 'enemies'.

No wonder Islam means submit. g0d decided he'd had enough of these fukking
professional idiots & wanted them in their place at last - as if...

asde.

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From: gathering-bounces at misera.net
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Sent: 02 February 2006 23:16
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Subject: Re: [kj] OT : those infamous Jyllands-Posten cartoons ...


Sorry but you were raising the subject. Yes the crusades did involve
violence, but why did they occur? The Crusades were one description of
the activities of the 'western' forces of the time. Now it would
appear from your comments, with your earlier reference to Bush, that
there is a history of western imperialism against the poor innocent
muslim countries. But thats too simplistic a view.
The crusades were in defence of the cross or christianity.
Christianity was born and established in Palestine and the lands of
the area. In response to muslim imperialism, the papal imperialists
certainly made a rallying call but to generalise to support the evil
of western imperialism is dogmatic and blinkered.
What we have here is the flexibility of a secular society, Denmark, in
a clash with the facism of a branch of what is refferred to as Islam.
Yes this is the problem of orthodox religions that have invested
interest in controlling the masses which is no different to many other
systems that have existed whether it be the Russian Empire of the last
century or the stark Poll Pot regime in Cambodia. The hypocracy of the
outcry is that it comes from the media in countries that depict its
targets as pigs whether they Isreali, British or American. The anti
semtisism that is regularly seen in publications in Arab countries
makes me question their demands that they should be respected and no
images should be shown of their prophet, despite the fact that there
is a rich history of imagary in the past.
So the whole subject is far too important to simply be used as a stick
to hit Bush with, this goes to cultural diversity that has existed for
over 2000 years.

On 2/2/06, GregSlawson at aol.com <GregSlawson at aol.com> wrote:
> I'm not sure, but i think the Crusades MAY have involved a little
violence.
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