[kj] Recent KJ trivia (and Raven)

[gingoblin at easynet.co.uk]

Amen to that! Crass were a huge inspiration to me... the first time I was 
exposed to a real different outlook on things. Can't say I got it all (I 
was young and er, naive!) but to this day I wonder what woulda happened if 
I hadn't encountered Crass.
It's inspiring to know they didn't all become stock-brokers after 1984 too!

Dave in Edinburgh

PS. Steve Ignorant's band after Crass (loong after!) were great too... 
Schwartzeneggar's the name... excellent stuff!


At 10:10 01/06/2006 +0100, you wrote:
>no not really. They made their point and let you go on and decide what you 
>wanted to do about it. When all the socialist revolutionaries had deserted 
>the miners in 84, the likes of crass were still churning out benefits for 
>the families. The number of bands who got a heads up start either at their 
>gigs or via the bullshit detectors or were encouraged to do it themselves. 
>They were a big thorn in the side of those who wanted to make 'punk' an 
>even bigger rip off and when did you hear of any other band being 
>discussed in Parliament over anti war songs?
>
>I was very close to the crass camp in those days and was witness to the 
>police intimidation, the pressure from the establishment, the fans who 
>seemed to miss the point but who were never 'put down' or ridiculed. The 
>rise of CND at that time was undisputedly aligned with the use by Crass of 
>the peace symbol which was not prominent at that time. How naiive was that?
>
>When 'punk' bands decided that they were now more 'Sophisticated' youd 
>still find crass playing with the subs in a dingy old pub.
>
>Naiive? I saw the other year Ignorant, Pen and Gee at Dial House still 
>living to their ideals. Annie is now busy in New York. Andy is an artist 
>in Cornwall i believe. Pete has a folk band and regularly appears at the 
>Essex Jazz festival. Phil and Joy are still very active in South London. 
>Eve is still involved with Crass Agenda.
>
>You can only do what you think is appropriate and they are not really open 
>to critisism on that subject. How can that be naiive?
>
>On 6/1/06, Robert Mallett 
><<mailto:Robert at jrcardwell.fsnet.co.uk>Robert at jrcardwell.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>They may be the greatest band in the world but when it comes down to 
>personal politics they ant exactly Crass
>
>Don't you feel that Crass, while erstwhile, were also full of (naive) 
>shit? At least the Joke have dealt with the 'Big One'; the collapse of 
>contemporary civilisation for which there is no remedy.
>
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>Pat Davies
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