[kj] Ministry in NYC tonight

Fri Jun 16 06:57:53 EDT 2006

Isn't this the Slipknot guy?  And shouldn't Ministry be a cakewalk for him?  
I know little to nothing about Slipknot but it seems like any metal drummer 
that is good should find this easy.

Chris

>From: Leigh Newton <angrytomhanks at yahoo.com>
>Reply-To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the 
>band!)"<gathering at misera.net>
>To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" 
><gathering at misera.net>
>Subject: Re: [kj] Ministry in NYC tonight
>Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 17:40:49 -0700 (PDT)
>
>Raven gave me and my friend copies of the new Ministry
>CD and some of it is actually pretty rad,
>particularily the first 2 tracks. The Joey Jordison
>criticisms are dead on. He absolutely sucked, played
>with no conviction whatsoever, and slopped up Stigmata
>when I saw them as well. Lucky for him that he's
>playing along with pre-programmed beats, otherwise the
>whole deal would have been one big pisstake.
>
>Leigh
>
>
>--- Pssyche <pssyche at soia.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > Thanks for that Alex - I saw both nights at BB Kings
> > on their last
> > 'EvilDoer' tour and thought the venue was shit,
> > hence our decision to go
> > somewhere else this time round. Most of the negative
> > posts on Ministry's
> > Piss Army site have the same criticisms - slagging
> > off Joey Jordison, while
> > many seem to think it's too loud.
> > I love the newer stuff myself, to be honest I get a
> > bit fed up with 'So
> > What' etc being played every show - similarities
> > with the Joke (and indeed
> > many other bands) in that predictable setlists get
> > on the regulars' tits!!!
> > Cheers
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Alex Smith" <vassifer at earthlink.net>
> > To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the
> > band!)"
> > <gathering at misera.net>; "A list about all things
> > Killing Joke (the band!)"
> > <gathering at misera.net>
> > Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 4:24 PM
> > Subject: Re: [kj] Ministry in NYC tonight
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I'll post a longer, more detailed review later, but
> > some thoughts re:
> > Ministry last night....
> >
> > 1. BB Kings Blues Bar was the *WRONG* venue to book
> > this show. Too small (it
> > was totally packed) and the sound is so compressed
> > that it was akin to
> > standing in front of a 747 engine for three hours.
> >
> > 2. Did not catch the Pitbull Daycare, and don't
> > really feel a great deal of
> > remorse.
> >
> > 3. I met my friend Christina (she from that fabled
> > earlier photo with m'self
> > and Raven on Andy's Gathering site) and her friend
> > John and made it in no
> > problem. Raven gamely put Peggy (my wife) on the
> > list as well, but she
> > couldn't make it (someone had to mind the kids), so
> > my "date" or plus-one
> > ended up being Julya (slutty and stupid ex-FUSE
> > veejay), who is a friend of
> > John's. She was hungover and unfriendly and was
> > later seen being asked to
> > leave the venue by security. Rock'n'roll!
> >
> > 4. The Revolting Cocks were easily the high point of
> > the show. Opened with
> > "Beers, Steers + Queers," and suddenly a wave of
> > early-90's nostalgia swept
> > over the room. Luc Van Acker has not aged well and
> > is now a total buffoon.
> > There is another vocalist who looks a bit like
> > Crispin Glover/Hitler who I
> > was unfamiliar with. And he's a bit of an idiotic
> > bore. But the rest of the
> > band (featuring the odd ex-Skatenig, I believe) was
> > great. The bass player
> > (not Raven) is indeed a huge hottie, somewhat like
> > vintage-era Corey from
> > Nashville Pussy. They also played: "Attack Ships On
> > Fire" (my personal
> > fave), "D'ya Think I'm Sexy," "Let's Get Physical"
> > and a rousing version of
> > "Stainless Steel Providers." They also did a cover
> > of "Dark Entries" (by
> > Bauhaus), which was surprisingly faithful. An
> > excellent performance.
> >
> > 5. Lots of drunk idiots in the crowd. And sweaty
> > males. Did not spot a
> > SINGLE Killing Joke shirt (other than the one I was
> > sporting).
> >
> > 6. Ministry come on. Bones on the mics. Projection
> > behind at all times.
> > Strobes. Raven a good two feet taller than his
> > bandmates. Both Raven and Al
> > sporting Jaz-esque black warpaint. Raven gets a pass
> > for this, as far as I'm
> > concerned, but try being original, AL!!!!
> >
> > 7. The Ministry set: lots and lots and lots and lots
> > of new stuff. And ya
> > know what? It's DULLLLLLLLLLL. Totally
> > monocrhomatic. Very little deviation.
> >
> > 8. Tommy Victor must have made some pact with the
> > devil, as he has not aged
> > a day. He is also VERY energetic on stage. Man loves
> > his work.  He and Al
> > Jourgensen, according to Raven, do not get on well,
> > and Raven has to act as
> > go-between.
> >
> > 9. It was Mike Scaccia's birthday. He was wearing a
> > Lynyrd Skynyrd shirt.
> > Most unfortunate, this.
> >
> > 10. Joey from Slipknot on drums -- Raven loves him
> > (and evidently GEORDIE
> > does to, so sayeth Raven), but he was clearly having
> > a hard time keeping up.
> > Couldn't tell if he was wearing a mask or not, but
> > he's clearly a freaky
> > lookin' dude.
> >
> > 11. Bechdel still has the `hawk.
> >
> > 12. Songs played in addition to new stuff: "N.W.O,"
> > "Thieves," "So What,"
> > "Just One Fix," and a truly dead-on-arrival limp
> > through "Stigmata" wherein
> > poor Joey started to lose his place. Most
> > unfortunate.
> >
> > 13. Al Jourgensen clearly has a lot to say about the
> > Bush Administration and
> > how this country is going down the toilet, but
> > y'know what? For all anyone
> > could hear (let alone decipher through his heavily
> > treated, vocoded vocals),
> > he could've just been screaming out the names of all
> > the State capitals. All
> > gobbledigook.
> >
> > 14. It was VERY loud. No surprises there.
> >
> > 15. Raven - clearly enjoying himself, though seemed
> > a bit upset onstage
> > (it's always somewhat hard to distinguish these two
> > expressions).
> >
> > Met up with Raven afterwards, and we repaired to the
> > bar at the Paramount
> > hotel. Lots of gossipy chin-wagging ensued. Raven
> > drank mineral water the
> > entire time. Businss dealings with all things
> > Killing Joke continue to be a
> > stupefying mess, but he does not rule out re-joining
> > the fold. Lots of
> > bullshit and deception in the air, but Raven seems
> > to approach proceedings
> > from a "life's too short" perspective, to his
> > credit. GEMS OF POWER, as has
> > been suggested, will probably never see the light of
> > day. Raven was
> > surprised to hear that the `Joke have evidently
> > dropped the new material
> > from their live set. For you Yank radio fans,
> > evidently Raven and Al will be
> > guests on Opie & Anthony today (which may have
> > already happened).
> >
> >
> > Overall, while it was great fun hanging out with
> > Raven (who sends his
> > regards to you all, though is not subscribed to the
> > Gathering these days),
> > the Ministry show was far from the best thing I've
> > ever seen. Bring
> > earplugs, if you're going.
> >
> > Pictures to follow. Not many, though.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Alex in NYC
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > >From: Pssyche <pssyche at soia.freeserve.co.uk>
> > >Sent: Jun 15, 2006 10:48 AM
> > >To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the
> > band!)"
> > <gathering at misera.net>
> > >Subject: Re: [kj] Ministry in NYC tonight
> > >
> > >me and a mate are going - tickets are $20 - and
> > I've been warned not to
> > >wander anywhere away from the venue and not to hang
> > about afterwards
> > either.
> > >However, I was told the venue is great and Detroit
> > crowds are the best in
> > >the USA so.....
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "Christof hamille"
> > <wessidetempest at hotmail.com>
> > >To: <gathering at misera.net>
> > >Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 5:32 AM
> > >Subject: Re: [kj] Ministry in NYC tonight
> > >
> > >
> > >> No I wish.
> > >> Harpo's.
> > >> Straight up metal veune complete with thugs for
> > security.  In a shitty
> > >part
> > >> of town (do not leave an empty bottle in your car
> > in fear of being broken
> > >> into and stolen).
> > >> I'll put it this way.  I have seen Motörhead
> > there twice.  Gwar with the
> > >> Dickies and Buzzoven (opening bnads is whay I
> > went) at this venue.  Back
> > >in
> > >> the day the Dead Kennedy's and the Ramones would
> > play there
> > >>
> > >> Want to go?
> > >>
> > >> ugghh
> > >>
> > >> Chris
> > >>
> > >> >From: P Bernardi <phantasmas at erols.com>
> > >> >Reply-To: phantasmas at erols.com,"A list about all
> > things Killing Joke
> > (the
> > >> >band!)"<gathering at misera.net>
> > >> >To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the
> > band!)"
> > >> ><gathering at misera.net>
> > >> >Subject: Re: [kj] Ministry in NYC tonight
> > >> >Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 00:27:33 -0400
> > >> >
> > >> >Chris,
> > >> >
> > >> >which venue in Detroit is it? Is it the same one
> > thats down the road
> > from
> > >> >Majestic/Magic stick?
> > >> >p-
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >Christof hamille wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> >>Alex let me know how it is.  Really I have no
> > desire to go other then
> > to
> > >> >>see Raven and Bruchdel (sp?).  I am guessing
> > the tix will be $30 after
> > >> >>service charge and I am being a snob.  Plus the
> > Detroit show is at a
> > >> >>notorious metal venue that is in a shitty part
> > of town with even
> > >shittier
> > >> >>security.
> > >> >>
> > >> >>If I could get in somehow without forking out
> > the dough I would (simply
> > >> >>because of the venue).
> > >> >>
> > >> >>I would rather hand Al my money in person then
> > through that place
> > >> >>
> > >> >>Chris
> > >> >>
> > >> >>drunk in Detroit
> > >> >>
> > >> >>>From: Alex Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net>
> > >> >>>Reply-To: Alex Smith
> > <vassifer at earthlink.net>,"A list about all things
> > >> >>>Killing Joke (the
> > band!)"<gathering at misera.net>
> > >> >>>To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the
> > band!)"
> > >> >>><gathering at misera.net>, gathering at misera.net,
> > partyslammer at socal.rr.com
> > >> >>>Subject: [kj] Ministry in NYC tonight
> > >> >>>Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 14:20:16 -0400 (EDT)
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>Should've asked this earlier, but is anyone
> > else (apart from m'self)
> > >> >>>going tonight at BB King's?
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>Lemme know.
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>Alex in NYC
> > >>
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