[kj] Ministry in NYC tonight

Sun Jun 18 13:11:28 EDT 2006

Yeah, it's always depressed me that Al disowns WITH SYMPATHY. If he  
was half-the badass he projects himself to be, he'd say "Yeah, I  
wrote that, got something to say about it? Step on up, motherfucker!"

Alex in NYC

On Jun 18, 2006, at 12:12 AM, Leigh Newton wrote:

> Good writeup, Alex. My first exposure to Ministry was
> the Stigmata video as well. Or a portion of it. Kirk
> Hammett, of all people, was talking them up in some
> television interview circa 88-89 and then they showed
> a clip from Stigmata and I was like "what was THAT??!"
> I tracked down Mind Is A Terrible Thing to Taste
> shortly after and was blown away. It sounded almost
> like a parody of thrash metal. I loved the meshing of
> real-time and programmed instruments. It made perfect
> sense for someone to do something like that! I got
> Land of Rape and Honey and In Case You Didn't Feel
> Like Showing Up soon after and loved them both. Golden
> Dawn was always a favourite. Psalm 69 came out shortly
> after and I thought it was good but too far into the
> generic thrash realm. Jesus Built My Hotrod is still
> great. Filth Pig sucked and i never really caught back
> on after that.
>
> I've also heard tell that Al was actually totally into
> the With Sympathy type stuff at the time and that he's
> since disowned it so as not to come off as some F-A-G
> to the legions of chest-beating metalheads.
>
> Leigh
>
>
> --- Alexander Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> Ahoy all.....
>>
>> Just re-touching base. I know I promised pics, but I
>> forgot to take
>> any during the show (concentrating, instead, on
>> drinking beer). In
>> any case, I have  brief wrap-up, a pic of Raven and
>> some needless
>> musings on Ministry on my shitty weblog. Please
>> avail yourselves to
>> it by clicking below.
>>
>> http://vassifer.blogs.com
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Alex in NYC
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jun 17, 2006, at 3:54 AM, Jari Pakarinen wrote:
>>
>>> Strange because Stigmata is not even that hard a
>> song to play. I
>>> mean it's like Psyche. Fast but not too fast.
>> There is the double
>>> bass part in there but it's not long.
>>>
>>> Jari
>>>
>>> Leigh Newton kirjoitti 17.6.2006 kello 9.33:
>>>
>>>> That's exactly what i was thinking going in. I
>> think
>>>> Slipknot are a joke but i was at least confident
>> in
>>>> the fact that the guy would be a solid, death
>> metal
>>>> style, double-pedal machine-gunning drummer.
>> Which is
>>>> perfect for Ministry. Maybe it's the fact that he
>> was
>>>> playing along with pre-programmed beats that was
>>>> throwing off his game. But man, he barely hit
>> hard at
>>>> all and sort of eked his way through the set. It
>> would
>>>> have been amazing with the drummer from Fear
>> Factory.
>>>> That guy probably farts out double-pedal bursts.
>>>>
>>>> Leigh
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --- Christof hamille <wessidetempest at hotmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Isn't this the Slipknot guy?  And shouldn't
>> Ministry
>>>>> be a cakewalk for him?
>>>>> I know little to nothing about Slipknot but it
>> seems
>>>>> like any metal drummer
>>>>> that is good should find this easy.
>>>>>
>>>>> Chris
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> From: Leigh Newton <angrytomhanks at yahoo.com>
>>>>>> Reply-To: "A list about all things Killing Joke
>>>>> (the
>>>>>> band!)"<gathering at misera.net>
>>>>>> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the
>>>>> band!)"
>>>>>> <gathering at misera.net>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [kj] Ministry in NYC tonight
>>>>>> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 17:40:49 -0700 (PDT)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Raven gave me and my friend copies of the new
>>>>> Ministry
>>>>>> CD and some of it is actually pretty rad,
>>>>>> particularily the first 2 tracks. The Joey
>> Jordison
>>>>>> criticisms are dead on. He absolutely sucked,
>>>>> played
>>>>>> with no conviction whatsoever, and slopped up
>>>>> Stigmata
>>>>>> when I saw them as well. Lucky for him that
>> he's
>>>>>> playing along with pre-programmed beats,
>> otherwise
>>>>> the
>>>>>> whole deal would have been one big pisstake.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Leigh
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --- Pssyche <pssyche at soia.freeserve.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks for that Alex - I saw both nights at BB
>>>>> Kings
>>>>>>> on their last
>>>>>>> 'EvilDoer' tour and thought the venue was
>> shit,
>>>>>>> hence our decision to go
>>>>>>> somewhere else this time round. Most of the
>>>>> negative
>>>>>>> posts on Ministry's
>>>>>>> Piss Army site have the same criticisms -
>>>>> slagging
>>>>>>> off Joey Jordison, while
>>>>>>> many seem to think it's too loud.
>>>>>>> I love the newer stuff myself, to be honest I
>>>>> get a
>>>>>>> bit fed up with 'So
>>>>>>> What' etc being played every show -
>> similarities
>>>>>>> with the Joke (and indeed
>>>>>>> many other bands) in that predictable setlists
>>>>> get
>>>>>>> on the regulars' tits!!!
>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "Alex Smith" <vassifer at earthlink.net>
>>>>>>> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the
>>>>>>> band!)"
>>>>>>> <gathering at misera.net>; "A list about all
>> things
>>>>>>> Killing Joke (the band!)"
>>>>>>> <gathering at misera.net>
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 4:24 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [kj] Ministry in NYC tonight
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'll post a longer, more detailed review
>> later,
>>>>> but
>>>>>>> some thoughts re:
>>>>>>> Ministry last night....
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1. BB Kings Blues Bar was the *WRONG* venue to
>>>>> book
>>>>>>> this show. Too small (it
>>>>>>> was totally packed) and the sound is so
>>>>> compressed
>>>>>>> that it was akin to
>>>>>>> standing in front of a 747 engine for three
>>>>> hours.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2. Did not catch the Pitbull Daycare, and
>> don't
>>>>>>> really feel a great deal of
>>>>>>> remorse.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 3. I met my friend Christina (she from that
>>>>> fabled
>>>>>>> earlier photo with m'self
>>>>>>> and Raven on Andy's Gathering site) and her
>>>>> friend
>>>>>>> John and made it in no
>>>>>>> problem. Raven gamely put Peggy (my wife) on
>> the
>>>>>>> list as well, but she
>>>>>>> couldn't make it (someone had to mind the
>> kids),
>>>>> so
>>>>>>> my "date" or plus-one
>>>>>>> ended up being Julya (slutty and stupid
>> ex-FUSE
>>>>>>> veejay), who is a friend of
>>>>>>> John's. She was hungover and unfriendly and
>> was
>>>>>>> later seen being asked to
>>>>>>> leave the venue by security. Rock'n'roll!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 4. The Revolting Cocks were easily the high
>>>>> point of
>>>>>>> the show. Opened with
>>>>>>> "Beers, Steers + Queers," and suddenly a wave
>> of
>>>>>>> early-90's nostalgia swept
>>>>>>> over the room. Luc Van Acker has not aged well
>>>>> and
>>>>>>> is now a total buffoon.
>>>>>>> There is another vocalist who looks a bit like
>>>>>>> Crispin Glover/Hitler who I
>>>>>>> was unfamiliar with. And he's a bit of an
>>>>> idiotic
>>>>>>> bore. But the rest of the
>>>>>>> band (featuring the odd ex-Skatenig, I
>> believe)
>>>>> was
>>>>>>> great. The bass player
>>>>>>> (not Raven) is indeed a huge hottie, somewhat
>>>>> like
>>>>>>> vintage-era Corey from
>>>>>>> Nashville Pussy. They also played: "Attack
>> Ships
>>>>> On
>>>>>>> Fire" (my personal
>>>>>>> fave), "D'ya Think I'm Sexy," "Let's Get
>>>>> Physical"
>>>>>>> and a rousing version of
>>>>>>> "Stainless Steel Providers." They also did a
>>>>> cover
>>>>>>> of "Dark Entries" (by
>>>>>>> Bauhaus), which was surprisingly faithful. An
>>>>>>> excellent performance.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 5. Lots of drunk idiots in the crowd. And
>> sweaty
>>>>>>> males. Did not spot a
>>>>>>> SINGLE Killing Joke shirt (other than the one
>> I
>>>>> was
>>>>>>> sporting).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 6. Ministry come on. Bones on the mics.
>>>>> Projection
>>>>>>> behind at all times.
>>>>>>> Strobes. Raven a good two feet taller than his
>>>>>>> bandmates. Both Raven and Al
>>>>>>> sporting Jaz-esque black warpaint. Raven gets
>> a
>>>>> pass
>>>>>>> for this, as far as I'm
>>>>>>> concerned, but try being original, AL!!!!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 7. The Ministry set: lots and lots and lots
>> and
>>>>> lots
>>>>>>> of new stuff. And ya
>>>>>>> know what? It's DULLLLLLLLLLL. Totally
>>>>>>> monocrhomatic. Very little deviation.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 8. Tommy Victor must have made some pact with
>>>>> the
>>>>>>> devil, as he has not aged
>>>>>>> a day. He is also VERY energetic on stage. Man
>>>>> loves
>>>>>>> his work.  He and Al
>>>>>>> Jourgensen, according to Raven, do not get on
>>>>> well,
>>>>>>> and Raven has to act as
>>>>>>> go-between.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 9. It was Mike Scaccia's birthday. He was
>>>>> wearing a
>>>>>>> Lynyrd Skynyrd shirt.
>>>>>>> Most unfortunate, this.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 10. Joey from Slipknot on drums -- Raven loves
>>>>> him
>>>>>>> (and evidently GEORDIE
>>>>>>> does to, so sayeth Raven), but he was clearly
>>>>> having
>>>>>>> a hard time keeping up.
>>>>>>> Couldn't tell if he was wearing a mask or not,
>>>>> but
>>>>>>> he's clearly a freaky
>>>>>>> lookin' dude.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 11. Bechdel still has the `hawk.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 12. Songs played in addition to new stuff:
>>>>> "N.W.O,"
>>>>>>> "Thieves," "So What,"
>>>>>>> "Just One Fix," and a truly dead-on-arrival
>> limp
>>>>>>> through "Stigmata" wherein
>>>>>>> poor Joey started to lose his place. Most
>>>>>>> unfortunate.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 13. Al Jourgensen clearly has a lot to say
>> about
>>>>> the
>>>>>>> Bush Administration and
>>>>>>> how this country is going down the toilet, but
>>>>>>> y'know what? For all anyone
>>>>>>> could hear (let alone decipher through his
>>>>> heavily
>>>>>>> treated, vocoded vocals),
>>>>>>> he could've just been screaming out the names
>> of
>>>>> all
>>>>>>> the State capitals. All
>>>>>>> gobbledigook.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 14. It was VERY loud. No surprises there.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 15. Raven - clearly enjoying himself, though
>>>>> seemed
>>>>>>> a bit upset onstage
>>>>>>> (it's always somewhat hard to distinguish
>> these
>>>>> two
>>>>>>> expressions).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Met up with Raven afterwards, and we repaired
>> to
>>>>> the
>>>>>>> bar at the Paramount
>>>>>>> hotel. Lots of gossipy chin-wagging ensued.
>>>>> Raven
>>>>>>> drank mineral water the
>>>>>>> entire time. Businss dealings with all things
>>>>>>> Killing Joke continue to be a
>>>>>>> stupefying mess, but he does not rule out
>>>>> re-joining
>>>>>>> the fold. Lots of
>>>>>>> bullshit and deception in the air, but Raven
>>>>> seems
>>>>>>> to approach proceedings
>>>>>>> from a "life's too short" perspective, to his
>>>>>>> credit. GEMS OF POWER, as has
>>>>>>> been suggested, will probably never see the
>>>>> light of
>>>>>>> day. Raven was
>>>>>>> surprised to hear that the `Joke have
>> evidently
>>>>>>> dropped the new material
>>>>>>> from their live set. For you Yank radio fans,
>>>>>>> evidently Raven and Al will be
>>>>>>> guests on Opie & Anthony today (which may have
>>>>>>> already happened).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Overall, while it was great fun hanging out
>> with
>>>>>>> Raven (who sends his
>>>>>>> regards to you all, though is not subscribed
>> to
>>>>> the
>>>>>>> Gathering these days),
>>>>>>> the Ministry show was far from the best thing
>>>>> I've
>>>>>>> ever seen. Bring
>>>>>>> earplugs, if you're going.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Pictures to follow. Not many, though.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>> Alex in NYC
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: Pssyche <pssyche at soia.freeserve.co.uk>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Jun 15, 2006 10:48 AM
>>>>>>>> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke
>> (the
>>>>>>> band!)"
>>>>>>> <gathering at misera.net>
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [kj] Ministry in NYC tonight
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> me and a mate are going - tickets are $20 -
>> and
>>>>>>> I've been warned not to
>>>>>>>> wander anywhere away from the venue and not
>> to
>>>>> hang
>>>>>>> about afterwards
>>>>>>> either.
>>>>>>>> However, I was told the venue is great and
>>>>> Detroit
>>>>>>> crowds are the best in
>>>>>>>> the USA so.....
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: "Christof hamille"
>>>>>>> <wessidetempest at hotmail.com>
>>>>>>>> To: <gathering at misera.net>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 5:32 AM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [kj] Ministry in NYC tonight
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> No I wish.
>>>>>>>>> Harpo's.
>>>>>>>>> Straight up metal veune complete with thugs
>>>>> for
>>>>>>> security.  In a shitty
>>>>>>>> part
>>>>>>>>> of town (do not leave an empty bottle in
>> your
>>>>> car
>>>>>>> in fear of being broken
>>>>>>>>> into and stolen).
>>>>>>>>> I'll put it this way.  I have seen Motörhead
>>>>>>> there twice.  Gwar with the
>>>>>>>>> Dickies and Buzzoven (opening bnads is whay
>> I
>>>>>>> went) at this venue.  Back
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>> the day the Dead Kennedy's and the Ramones
>>>>> would
>>>>>>> play there
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Want to go?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ugghh
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Chris
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> From: P Bernardi <phantasmas at erols.com>
>>>>>>>>>> Reply-To: phantasmas at erols.com,"A list
>> about
>>>>> all
>>>>>>> things Killing Joke
>>>>>>> (the
>>>>>>>>>> band!)"<gathering at misera.net>
>>>>>>>>>> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke
>>>>> (the
>>>>>>> band!)"
>>>>>>>>>> <gathering at misera.net>
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [kj] Ministry in NYC tonight
>>>>>>>>>> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 00:27:33 -0400
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Chris,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> which venue in Detroit is it? Is it the
>> same
>>>>> one
>>>>>>> thats down the road
>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>> Majestic/Magic stick?
>>>>>>>>>> p-
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Christof hamille wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Alex let me know how it is.  Really I have
>>>>> no
>>>>>>> desire to go other then
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> see Raven and Bruchdel (sp?).  I am
>>>>> guessing
>>>>>>> the tix will be $30 after
>>>>>>>>>>> service charge and I am being a snob.
>> Plus
>>>>> the
>>>>>>> Detroit show is at a
>>>>>>>>>>> notorious metal venue that is in a shitty
>>>>> part
>>>>>>> of town with even
>>>>>>>> shittier
>>>>>>>>>>> security.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> If I could get in somehow without forking
>>>>> out
>>>>>>> the dough I would (simply
>>>>>>>>>>> because of the venue).
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I would rather hand Al my money in person
>>>>> then
>>>>>>> through that place
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Chris
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> drunk in Detroit
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Alex Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Reply-To: Alex Smith
>>>>>>> <vassifer at earthlink.net>,"A list about all
>>>>> things
>>>>>>>>>>>> Killing Joke (the
>>>>>>> band!)"<gathering at misera.net>
>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke
>>>>> (the
>>>>>>> band!)"
>>>>>>>>>>>> <gathering at misera.net>,
>>>>> gathering at misera.net,
>>>>>>> partyslammer at socal.rr.com
>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [kj] Ministry in NYC tonight
>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 14:20:16 -0400
>>>>> (EDT)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Should've asked this earlier, but is
>>>>> anyone
>>>>>>> else (apart from m'self)
>>>>>>>>>>>> going tonight at BB King's?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Lemme know.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Alex in NYC
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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