[kj] Kerrang!/Hosannas/KJ2003

Wed Mar 1 05:43:19 EST 2006

I'm not sure I really know what nu-metal is - but not being aware of the 
facts has never stopped me commenting on them!

I don't listen to metal, but I intuitively felt there was some commercial 
metal going off on KJ 2003 and at first listen, this soured the experience. 
But after several more contemplative listens I began to rate the album as 
one of KJ's top three or four albums - and I still do. KJ were definitely 
'back' with that last album.

But I sense the new stuff is going to be fantastic, even better - especially 
after Geordie's comments. I don't know why. All I can say is that before KJ 
2003 came out I tried to imagine what KJ's new music might sound like. I 
never really could imagine it, but having heard Implosion, I think that's 
what I had been expecting - even if it there's some Motley down there 
somewhere!

>From: "Tim Bucknall" <tim.bucknall at btinternet.com>
>Reply-To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" 
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>To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" 
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>Subject: Re: [kj] Kerrang!/Hosannas/KJ2003
>Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 10:06:40 -0000
>
>yeah gimme my remixed Brighter, whats the hold up!
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>Subject: Re: [kj] Kerrang!/Hosannas/KJ2003
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>
>>They *are* amazing albums, but I was disappointed by both of them at the 
>>time, because they were clearly seeking a softer, more commercially 
>>acceptable sound - a path which led unerringly to Outside the Gate.  In 
>>the nineties, the more industrial sound became more commercially 
>>acceptable, and KJ have produced albums that, whilst having some fine 
>>moments, are far more mainstream than the first 3 or 4 albums were.
>>
>>I think the quality of the music on Brighter and Night Time is 
>>outstanding, and I look forward to the remixed Brighter in particular...
>>
>>Jamie
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Leigh Newton <angrytomhanks at yahoo.com>
>>To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) 
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>>Sent: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 20:01:47 -0800 (PST)
>>Subject: Re: [kj] Kerrang!/Hosannas/KJ2003
>>
>>  Well, both Nighttime and Brighter sound extremely
>>commercial (or they did when they were released) and
>>they're both amazing. I don't think it's pandering if
>>the music you're writing is still quality. Which, i
>>think, KJ2003 is. For the most part. BUt that's just
>>me.
>>
>>Leigh
>>
>>--- god botherer <acroastic at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>OK, so nu-metal wasn't the best quick reference term
>>>for a certain flavour
>>>that was added to KJ2003, but I was trying to
>>>describe the extent of the
>>>pandering to, let's say, a particular sector of the
>>>market - surely you know
>>>what I mean.
>>>
>>>I now see that I'm not alone in my opinion:
>>>
>>>+++
>>>
>>>Killing Joke frontman Jaz Coleman has revealed to
>>>Kerrang! that the
>>>post-punk superheroes have returned to their roots
>>>on their forthcoming,
>>>13th studio album.
>>>
>>>Fans should expect a less commercial-sounding
>>>offering from 'Hosannas From
>>>The Basements Of Hell', the follow up to 2003's
>>>'Killing Joke', after
>>>guitarist Geordie Walker registered his
>>>dissatisfaction with the band's last
>>>album.
>>>
>>>"Geordie wasn't happy with the last one we did
>>>because he thought it sounded
>>>too commercial," Coleman admits. "This one's the
>>>antithesis."
>>>
>>>+++
>>>
>>>- and all the better for that, I reckon. And it goes
>>>to show that Geordie is
>>>or should be the supreme arbiter of what goes.
>>>
>>>There's fact for you Leigh.
>>>
>>>
>>>gb
>>>
>>>
>>> >From: Alexander Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net>
>>> >Reply-To: "A list about all things Killing Joke
>>>(the band!)"
>>> ><gathering at misera.net>
>>> >To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the
>>>band!)"
>>> ><gathering at misera.net>
>>> >Subject: Re: [kj] Hosannas 1 KJ2003 0
>>> >Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 22:36:07 -0500
>>> >
>>> >Is Nu-Metal even Nu-metal anymore? Seems about as
>>>timely a term in  2006 as
>>> >shoegazing and/or baggy.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >Alex in NYC
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >On Feb 27, 2006, at 10:34 PM, Leigh Newton wrote:
>>> >
>>> >>I reckon that 0.00000000000000% of KJ2003 is
>>>nu-metal.
>>> >>Fact, not opinion.
>>> >>
>>> >>Leigh
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>--- god botherer <acroastic at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>>This new stuff pisses all over the cartoon
>>>nu-metal
>>> >>>of 2003. This is
>>> >>>glorious. I'm hearing TRUE Killing Joke again and
>>> >>>it's wonderful!
>>> >>>
>>> >>>Oddly, the two tracks officially available to
>>>check
>>> >>>out prior to release,
>>> >>>i.e. Implosion and the title track are IMHO the
>>> >>>least interesting tracks on
>>> >>>the album, but still pretty fair.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>Here's a few things missing from the album:
>>> >>>
>>> >>>shit Youth tampering
>>> >>>crap production
>>> >>>pandering to the Kerrang audience (well, maybe a
>>> >>>bit)
>>> >>>lukewarm drumming
>>> >>>weak tracks
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>Concentrating all the efforts of the personnel on
>>> >>>this project, and living
>>> >>>and playing together lots like a real group
>>>should,
>>> >>>having a shit hot
>>> >>>drummer and turning up the volume on (still) the
>>> >>>most extraordinary sound
>>> >>>these ears know of (that beatiful Geordie guitar)
>>> >>>have all paid off - and
>>> >>>they've remembered to make it danceable!
>>> >>>
>>> >>>Above all, the genuine passion shines through,
>>>and I
>>> >>>get those goose pimples
>>> >>>again which have been so rare since 1991 (with
>>>the
>>> >>>honourable exception of
>>> >>>Aeon and one or two other bits from Pandemonium
>>>and
>>> >>>Democracy).
>>> >>>
>>> >>>Hope when I buy the real thing Geordie doesn't
>>>get
>>> >>>turned down in the mix
>>> >>>(again).
>>> >>>
>>> >>>Whaddyareckon?
>>> >>>
>>> >>>gb
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
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