[kj] Recent KJ trivia (and Raven)

[Alex Smith]

I'm not necessarily defending Raven (let's remember his KILL A COMMIE FOR YOUR MOMMY shirt circa NWOBFG), but just being the devil's advocate for a moment:  like everyone else on the earth, he's allowed to chance his mind, right?

Alex in NYC




-----Original Message-----
>From: fluw <fluwdot at earthlink.net>
>Sent: May 24, 2006 11:40 AM
>To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" <gathering at misera.net>
>Subject: Re: [kj] Recent KJ trivia (and Raven)
>
>no leigh, he is promoting it, by being in the band, participating in 
>interviews, and lending support of the direction in those interviews.
>
>if he had any legitimacy he would stand by the things he said in 2001 - 
>2002 and be in toby keith's band earning his meal ticket but alas, raven 
>is a whore, a rebel for any cause. as long as the bass playing is mind 
>numbingly simple and he gets to pretend to be a rock n roll warrior, he 
>is content.
>
>Leigh Newton wrote:
>> Raven's not promoting it, Al Jourgenson is. Raven's
>> just earning a well deserved meal ticket just about
>> the best and funnest way there is to do so.
>>
>> Leigh
>>
>>
>> --- fluw <fluwdot at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>>   
>>> ironic, all the positive 'inseparable music and
>>> politics' talk from 
>>> raven when but a few years ago he helped to intermit
>>> political 
>>> conversation on this forum.
>>>  
>>> yet now he is promoting this aspect of his new
>>> affiliation that is 
>>> railing against bush administration
>>> "lies,lies,lies":
>>> /when in 2001 - 2002/, raven was on this and joe's
>>> forum calling to 
>>> invade and "kill'em all" "sand nigger " remarks and
>>> lending aid for the 
>>> blurring of the lines between al queda and iraq with
>>> vehement support of 
>>> his forum buddy. all the while deriding and
>>> attempting to squelch people 
>>> who *challenged* arguments *for the war* -
>>>
>>> / in 2001/ - 2002 - so many were blinded by their
>>> anger and fear of 
>>> recent terrorist events that the majority was
>>> effectively cowering at 
>>> the thought of questioning invasions and war against
>>> "sand niggers"
>>>
>>> but now that the lies that were known then are
>>> accepted in the 
>>> mainstream and all the war mongers are shown to be
>>> what they are and the 
>>> majority is finally against the bush demagoguery
>>> machine and popstars 
>>> are feeling cocky...looky here, so does big bird.
>>>
>>> what an attractive trait, constantly vacillating to
>>> the most fashionable 
>>> insurrection...it is only fitting that a personality
>>> like this breeds 
>>> animals for kill sport.
>>> what one is capable with innocent animals, so will
>>> be with humans.
>>>
>>> *--------------------------------*
>>> nicholas fitzpatrick wrote:
>>>     
>>>>
>>>> HEADLINE: Ministry is still raging against the
>>>>       
>>> machine
>>>     
>>>> Pearl Jam and Neil Young may have their recently
>>>>       
>>> released anti-war 
>>>     
>>>> albums, but when it comes to pure vitriolic
>>>>       
>>> revolution songs, Al 
>>>     
>>>> Jourgensen and his industrial thrash band Ministry
>>>>       
>>> rails against 
>>>     
>>>> George W. Bush like no one else.
>>>>
>>>> Brimming with indignant rage, Ministry's new
>>>>       
>>> album, "Rio Grande 
>>>     
>>>> Blood," recaptures the revolutionary spirit of the
>>>>       
>>> band's heyday (see 
>>>     
>>>> 1992's "Psalm 69"). Through 10 blistering tracks,
>>>>       
>>> Jourgensen and his 
>>>     
>>>> crew rant on topics ranging from corporate
>>>>       
>>> corruption ("Fear (Is Big 
>>>     
>>>> Business)") to 9/11 ("Lies, Lies, Lies") to U.S.
>>>>       
>>> military policy 
>>>     
>>>> ("Gangreen").
>>>>
>>>> Jourgensen takes shots at Dubya at every turn,
>>>>       
>>> asking a question on 
>>>     
>>>> "Lies, Lies Lies": If the government truly has
>>>>       
>>> nothing to hide / Why 
>>>     
>>>> are they afraid to answer a few questions?
>>>>
>>>> Jourgensen incorporates an all-star team of
>>>>       
>>> musicians on the album and 
>>>     
>>>> the subsequent tour (stopping at the House of
>>>>       
>>> Blues downtown Sunday 
>>>     
>>>> night), including drummer Joey Jordison
>>>>       
>>> (Slipknot), guitarist Mike 
>>>     
>>>> Scaccia (Rigor Mortis), keyboardist John Bechdel
>>>>       
>>> (Fear Factory, Prong) 
>>>     
>>>> guitarist Tommy Victor (Prong) and bassist Paul
>>>>       
>>> Raven (Killing Joke).
>>>     
>>>> "I think we represent the spirit of rebellion that
>>>>       
>>> has been very 
>>>     
>>>> underground as far as music is concerned," said
>>>>       
>>> bassist Raven. "I 
>>>     
>>>> can't tell you what all these industrial bands and
>>>>       
>>> people like Trent 
>>>     
>>>> Reznor are doing. I got into music in 1977 in the
>>>>       
>>> time of punk rock. 
>>>     
>>>> Music and politics has been inseparable."
>>>>
>>>> About the tour, Raven said: "We call it Ministry
>>>>       
>>> on steroids, because 
>>>     
>>>> everyone says it's the best they've heard the
>>>>       
>>> band. We take our cues 
>>>     
>>>> off of a lot of what the fans say. They get online
>>>>       
>>> after every show 
>>>     
>>>> and dissect the show. We look at that in the
>>>>       
>>> morning and take it in."
>>>     
>>
>>   
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