[kj] Recent KJ trivia (and Raven)

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War on terror is fine, but it's good to have a goal when you start these things. 
 
From,
Will 
 
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From: Christof hamille <wessidetempest at hotmail.com>
To: gathering at misera.net
Sent: Wed, 24 May 2006 11:10:52 -0500
Subject: Re: [kj] Recent KJ trivia (and Raven)


Devil's Advocate here 
 
People are unable to change their opinions on this hot topic? Especially in light of news that has surfaced since 2001. Shit since last month. And isn't it possible to be for the "war on terror" but dislike Bush? Yes. Just as you can be a republican and not like Bush. 
 
Chris 
 
>From: fluw <fluwdot at earthlink.net> 
>Reply-To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the >band!)"<gathering at misera.net> 
>To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" ><gathering at misera.net> 
>Subject: Re: [kj] Recent KJ trivia (and Raven) 
>Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 11:40:39 -0400 
> 
>no leigh, he is promoting it, by being in the band, participating in >interviews, and lending support of the direction in those interviews. 
> 
>if he had any legitimacy he would stand by the things he said in 2001 - >2002 and be in toby keith's band earning his meal ticket but alas, raven is >a whore, a rebel for any cause. as long as the bass playing is mind >numbingly simple and he gets to pretend to be a rock n roll warrior, he is >content. 
> 
>Leigh Newton wrote: 
>>Raven's not promoting it, Al Jourgenson is. Raven's 
>>just earning a well deserved meal ticket just about 
>>the best and funnest way there is to do so. 
>> 
>>Leigh 
>> 
>> 
>>--- fluw <fluwdot at earthlink.net> wrote: 
>> 
>> 
>>>ironic, all the positive 'inseparable music and 
>>>politics' talk from raven when but a few years ago he helped to intermit 
>>>political conversation on this forum. 
>>> yet now he is promoting this aspect of his new 
>>>affiliation that is railing against bush administration 
>>>"lies,lies,lies": 
>>>/when in 2001 - 2002/, raven was on this and joe's 
>>>forum calling to invade and "kill'em all" "sand nigger " remarks and 
>>>lending aid for the blurring of the lines between al queda and iraq with 
>>>vehement support of his forum buddy. all the while deriding and 
>>>attempting to squelch people who *challenged* arguments *for the war* - 
>>> 
>>>/ in 2001/ - 2002 - so many were blinded by their 
>>>anger and fear of recent terrorist events that the majority was 
>>>effectively cowering at the thought of questioning invasions and war >>>against 
>>>"sand niggers" 
>>> 
>>>but now that the lies that were known then are 
>>>accepted in the mainstream and all the war mongers are shown to be 
>>>what they are and the majority is finally against the bush demagoguery 
>>>machine and popstars are feeling cocky...looky here, so does big bird. 
>>> 
>>>what an attractive trait, constantly vacillating to 
>>>the most fashionable insurrection...it is only fitting that a personality 
>>>like this breeds animals for kill sport. 
>>>what one is capable with innocent animals, so will 
>>>be with humans. 
>>> 
>>>*--------------------------------* 
>>>nicholas fitzpatrick wrote: 
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>HEADLINE: Ministry is still raging against the 
>>>> 
>>>machine 
>>> 
>>>>Pearl Jam and Neil Young may have their recently 
>>>> 
>>>released anti-war 
>>>>albums, but when it comes to pure vitriolic 
>>>> 
>>>revolution songs, Al 
>>>>Jourgensen and his industrial thrash band Ministry 
>>>> 
>>>rails against 
>>>>George W. Bush like no one else. 
>>>> 
>>>>Brimming with indignant rage, Ministry's new 
>>>> 
>>>album, "Rio Grande 
>>>>Blood," recaptures the revolutionary spirit of the 
>>>> 
>>>band's heyday (see 
>>>>1992's "Psalm 69"). Through 10 blistering tracks, 
>>>> 
>>>Jourgensen and his 
>>>>crew rant on topics ranging from corporate 
>>>> 
>>>corruption ("Fear (Is Big 
>>>>Business)") to 9/11 ("Lies, Lies, Lies") to U.S. 
>>>> 
>>>military policy 
>>>>("Gangreen"). 
>>>> 
>>>>Jourgensen takes shots at Dubya at every turn, 
>>>> 
>>>asking a question on 
>>>>"Lies, Lies Lies": If the government truly has 
>>>> 
>>>nothing to hide / Why 
>>>>are they afraid to answer a few questions? 
>>>> 
>>>>Jourgensen incorporates an all-star team of 
>>>> 
>>>musicians on the album and 
>>>>the subsequent tour (stopping at the House of 
>>>> 
>>>Blues downtown Sunday 
>>>>night), including drummer Joey Jordison 
>>>> 
>>>(Slipknot), guitarist Mike 
>>>>Scaccia (Rigor Mortis), keyboardist John Bechdel 
>>>> 
>>>(Fear Factory, Prong) 
>>>>guitarist Tommy Victor (Prong) and bassist Paul 
>>>> 
>>>Raven (Killing Joke). 
>>> 
>>>>"I think we represent the spirit of rebellion that 
>>>> 
>>>has been very 
>>>>underground as far as music is concerned," said 
>>>> 
>>>bassist Raven. "I 
>>>>can't tell you what all these industrial bands and 
>>>> 
>>>people like Trent 
>>>>Reznor are doing. I got into music in 1977 in the 
>>>> 
>>>time of punk rock. 
>>>>Music and politics has been inseparable." 
>>>> 
>>>>About the tour, Raven said: "We call it Ministry 
>>>> 
>>>on steroids, because 
>>>>everyone says it's the best they've heard the 
>>>> 
>>>band. We take our cues 
>>>>off of a lot of what the fans say. They get online 
>>>> 
>>>after every show 
>>>>and dissect the show. We look at that in the 
>>>> 
>>>morning and take it in." 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
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