[kj] Jaz Straw

[flight Bringer]

"Not all Muslims behave in the way you ascribe to them,........ but (you) 
are veering
perilously close to racism"

   Oh look,  Mr University lecturer  who has a PHD and is an "acknowledged 
world expert " considers Islam to be a race of people . Lets get back to 
basic shall we? Islam is a religion which encompasses various different 
races, so under no circumstances can  you accuse me of "veering perilously 
close to racism" .
   Islam is a Religion, not a race of people.


>From: "Robert Mallett" <robert at jrcardwell.fsnet.co.uk>
>Reply-To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the 
>band!)"<gathering at misera.net>
>To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" 
><gathering at misera.net>
>Subject: Re: [kj] Jaz Straw
>Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 19:19:56 +0100
>
>OK, where to begin?
>
>'Enough of that posturing and biggin up yourself '
>
>You plainly have no understanding of how intellectual life functions. I am 
>an acknowledged world expert, and merely pointed out that fact to you 
>because, to be blunt, you're not. I'm not 'biggin up myself' as you 
>eloquently put it; I come from a council slum and let my peers enlarge my 
>profile for me. It's called modesty.
>
>'I would respect you a lot more if you came
>>back with an intelligent reply, rather than just telling me that you 
>>*Could* come back with an intelligent reply.'
>
>
>I can give you an intelligent reply and am about to do so. Your bill for my 
>fee is in the post (Joke!).
>
>
>'Jaz doesn't want Muslims
>>to wear Western clothes and Jack doesn't want Western women to wear
>>Eastern clothes.'
>
>Do you really think that Jaz Coleman is an arbiter of sensible thought out 
>opinons? When has he ever been this, and especially of late. He's a 
>musician: that's it.  The fact is that Islam is a massively diverse 
>ethno/political/religious ideology where one group may well be secularised 
>and wear modern clothes, while another dresses in 'traditional' garb, and 
>with all the accompanying mindsets. Between these two extremes lie so many 
>layers, strata and sub strata of Islamism that to say all should dress the 
>same is stupid. So, when did Coleman say it, under what circumstances (was 
>he pissed, stoned, coked or all three?) and why? For effect? When he 'came 
>close to converting? For fuck's sake!
>
>Jack Straw is a cunt.
>
>Apart from that, he in actual fact objected to Muslim female's wearing of 
>the veil in certain circumstances (eg 1 2 1 meetings) and not to 'Eastern 
>clothes', whatver the fuck you mean by that. Does this include the Fez and 
>the Kaftan?
>
>
>'The hypocrisy of the Muslims is astounding '
>
>The hypocrisy of the human species is astounding, period. Not all Muslims 
>behave in the way you ascribe to them, and in my view you're are trying to 
>be your usual 'funny clever self', but are veering perilously close to 
>racism or at least discrmination.
>
>
>' The Pope says that
>>Islam was a violent religion '
>
>The Pope is a cunt.
>
>Have you ever heard of the Crusades, The Conquistadores, the Inquisition, 
>the Ustasa and so on ad nauseam?
>
>
>You want more Peter? Come and get it it
>
>bob
>----- Original Message ----- From: "flight Bringer" 
><flightbringer at hotmail.co.uk>
>To: <gathering at misera.net>
>Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 6:59 PM
>Subject: Re: [kj] Jaz Straw
>
>
>>. I made a statement  and if you wish to reply, then reply . I would 
>>respect you a lot more if you came back with an intelligent reply, rather 
>>than just telling me that you *Could* come back with an intelligent reply.
>>  Heres my statement again. Give it your best shot. The whole of the 
>>Gatherings watching and waiting in anticipation for a Teacher at an 
>>University with a PHD in Political extremism to speak.
>>
>>
>>"You may label it as simple, but its too complex for you to give a
>>reasonable , intelligent well thought out reply to.
>>  It is quite a simple situation thought. >  Jaz is therefore against 
>>integration and Jack is against the
>>rudeness of the wearing of the Hijab . Have you ever spoke to
>>someone wearing one ? It is uncomfortable . Would a Western women
>>get away with wearing a Bikini on a beach in Saudi and cite that
>>its part of her culture ?
>>  ., so in protest and disagreement
>>Muslims hijack a plane and murder a Nun . A muslim Policeman asks not to 
>>guard the Israeli embassy because its against his principles
>>and yet Muslims expect Police to protect them when they march in
>>London calling for British soldiers to be killed.   Astounding!!!"
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>From: "Robert Mallett" <robert at jrcardwell.fsnet.co.uk>
>>>Reply-To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the 
>>>band!)"<gathering at misera.net>
>>>To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" 
>>><gathering at misera.net>
>>>Subject: Re: [kj] Jaz Straw
>>>Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 17:01:56 +0100
>>>
>>>You may label it as simple, but its too complex for you to give a 
>>>reasonable
>>>, intelligent well thought out reply to.
>>>
>>>
>>>Peter I have a PhD and teach political extremism at University. Without 
>>>wishing to be patronising do you really want to take me on?
>>>
>>>bob
>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "flight Bringer" 
>>><flightbringer at hotmail.co.uk>
>>>To: <gathering at misera.net>
>>>Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 10:40 PM
>>>Subject: Re: [kj] Jaz Straw
>>>
>>>
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