[kj] Jaz Straw

[Robert Mallett]

1) understanding of intellectual life is not a reflection of intelligence, 
and I did not imply that. You clearly have a hang up.


2) You give the impression of being a know all wind up artist. I don't get 
the impression you're bluffing.


3) I have said nothing of my intelligence, you have.


4) Coleman is indeed a lyricist, thank you, but his lyrics are not of a 
political or ideological nature on the whole. When they are (Democracy, 
America etc) they're shite and off the mark.


5)' No one is saying that they should all dress the same . This is
> about one single piece of clothing and its effects on integration'

'Jaz doesn't want Muslims to wear
>>Western clothes and Jack doesn't want Western women to wear Eastern 
>>clothes.

Can you clarify exactly what you mean by those two statements?


6) Jack Straw is a cunt.
>
> *****Thats the Working class slums talking****
>>


It is, and what about it?


7) The rest I really can't be arsed with. I'm far too busy being clever and 
renouned.

Goodnight




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "flight Bringer" <flightbringer at hotmail.co.uk>
To: <gathering at misera.net>
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 8:36 PM
Subject: Re: [kj] Jaz Straw


> >You plainly have no understanding of how intellectual life functions.
> *****Yes, you keep mentioning my lack of intelligence , are you trying to 
> convince yourself  or me?****
>
> I am an acknowledged world expert, and merely pointed out
>>that fact to you because, to be blunt, you're not.
> *****I ve never claimed to be************
>
>
> I'm not 'biggin
>>up myself' as you eloquently put it; I come from a council slum and let my 
>>peers enlarge my profile for me. It's called modesty.
>
> EEEEerrrr no. You are the one who keeps mentioning how intelligent you 
> are, no one else does******
>
>
>>
>>Do you really think that Jaz Coleman is an arbiter of sensible thought out 
>>opinions?
>
> **************No . But this is a Killing Joke mailing list and therefore 
> Killing joke is what we discuss , whether it be sensible mutterings  or 
> not****************
>
> When has he ever been this, and especially of
>>late. He's a musician: that's it.
>
> ********He's also a lyricist***************
>
> The fact is that Islam is a
>>massively diverse ethno/political/religious ideology where one group may 
>>well be secularised and wear modern clothes, while another dresses in 
>>'traditional' garb, and with all the accompanying mindsets. Between these 
>>two extremes lie so many layers, strata and sub strata of Islamism that to 
>>say all should dress the same is stupid.
> *********No one is saying that they should all dress the same . This is 
> about one single piece of clothing and its effects on 
> integration**********
>
>
> So, when did Coleman say it, under what circumstances (was
>>he pissed, stoned, coked or all three?) and why? For effect? When he 'came 
>>close to converting? For fuck's sake!
>>
> Lyrics "Clothe your women the Western way"
>
>
>
>
>>>>Apart from that, he in actual fact objected to Muslim female's wearing 
>>>>of
>>the veil in certain circumstances (eg 1 2 1 meetings) and not to 'Eastern 
>>clothes', whatver the fuck you mean by that. Does this include the Fez and 
>>the Kaftan?
>>
> *****No. I could nt recall what the whole  dress was called ( something 
> like Arubya ) so Isimply put Eastern clothes**********
>
>
>
>>
>>'The hypocrisy of the Muslims is astounding '
>>
>>The hypocrisy of the human species is astounding, period.
>
> *******That maybe the case, but I was discussing hypocrisy with-in the 
> Muslim religion***
>
>
> Not all
>>Muslims behave in the way you ascribe to them,
>
> *****Where did I say "All" Muslims? I'm talking about the fanatical 
> minority********
>
> >
>>
>>' The Pope says that
>>>Islam was a violent religion '
>>
>>The Pope is a cunt.
>>
>
> ******The Pope said a truth from history . People should nt have to 
> apologise for stating historical facts*****
>
>
>>Have you ever heard of the Crusades,
> ******Yes. The Christians fought back against the invading 
> Muslims**********
>
>
>
> The Conquistadores,
>
> ***Nope, not heard of it**********
>
> the
>>Inquisition,
>
> ********Spanish?**************
>
>
> the Ustasa
>
> *****Nope, not heard of it******************
>
> and so on ad nauseam?
>
> ********Latin?************
>
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