[kj] Jaz Straw

[ade]

Juliet, thanks for this. Of course, people will instantly jump to the
conclusion that we're r at cist scum,
with our vile opinions, as opposed to giving a flying 4k about equality.
It's just lefty prejudice in action.


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  From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]
On Behalf Of Jim Harper
  Sent: 11 October 2006 14:54
  To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
  Subject: RE: [kj] Jaz Straw



  Men in the dark ages were generally capable of controlling their urges,
Peter.




  What are you talking about? Where is the foundation for that statement?
That's a bit of a generalization isn't it? Can you cite your evidence for
this? - about men in the Dark Ages, I mean!



  I, as a woman, feel that I would like to have a bit of a say about this
veil thing from my perspective. Usually I stay out of these things but.

  I have personally met Muslim men who treat women like cattle or worse. I
have personally been raped by one of these men - a long time ago.

  I have met a policeman within hours of him leaving the scene of an honour
killing, where he had to attend to find a Muslim girl with her throat slit.
She was still alive but they couldn't do anything to save her. Her Muslim
brothers had killed her for going out with a white boy.



  I think we have to be careful about what we let happen in our society in
the name of tolerance and respect for others. I abhor the sort of behaviour
that I have cited above, and I abhor it in anyone. Anyone in any religion
can use their belief to justify all sorts of shit.



  Personally I don't see anything wrong with Jack Straw saying it makes him
feel uncomfortable. It makes me uncomfortable. We have as much right to feel
discomfort as they have to wear their veils.



  How about female circumcision? Personally it disgusts me. Do you think we
should tolerate that as part of African culture in the Africans who live
over here? Surely, just because something is part of someone's culture doesn
't make it fucking sacrosanct like some sort of sacred cow to be put on a
pedestal. Bloody hell! If there was a culture that promoted child sex which
some do - some cultures will allow a girl to be a bride as soon as she has
her first period - would we respect that? No we wouldn't because we have a
law against it, but there is no law on face covering. Where do we draw the
line. I think it would be highly irritating to have to deal with people who
cover their faces all the time. I find it bad enough if I have to talk to
someone in sunglasses.



  Let's not spend our lives bending over backwards to accommodate people who
are doing annoying/ irritating/ barbaric things.



  By the way, I am an extremely tolerant person, if I went to someone else's
country I would try to respect their ways although I would hope for a bit of
give and take. Likewise, I think they should fit in with us to a certain
extent. They can still keep their identity without covering their faces, and
if they really want to live like that, why don't they go back from whence
they came.



  I'll tell you why this is often, from observation, because they want it
all ways - they want the benefits of living in our society - but if they
want that they should be able to fit in not make us fit in around them while
they dig their heels in.



  Aaaaaarggggghhhhh!



  Juliet











  flight Bringer <flightbringer at hotmail.co.uk> wrote:

  The hijab belongs in the dark ages , in an age where men could nt
  control their urges and women had to be covered up.



  http://www.flipsidemovies.com
  http://jimharper.blogspot.com




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