[kj] Jaz Straw

Thu Oct 12 04:51:31 EDT 2006

It doesnt say anything in the Koran about covering Females faces . The
closest it comes is saying that "Females should dress modestly" . A Micro
Bikini is one end of extreme dressing and a arabya.Hijab is at the other end
of extreme dressing. Modest would be somewhere in the middle

read the Qu'ran then have you?
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "flight Bringer" <flightbringer at hotmail.co.uk>
To: <gathering at misera.net>
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 11:31 PM
Subject: RE: [kj] Jaz Straw

> It doesnt say anything in the Koran about covering Females faces . The 
> closest it comes is saying that "Females should dress modestly" . A Micro 
> Bikini is one end of extreme dressing and a arabya.Hijab is at the other 
> end of extreme dressing. Modest would be somewhere in the middle
>
>
>>From: "ade" <ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk>
>>Reply-To: ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk,"A list about all things Killing Joke 
>>(the band!)"<gathering at misera.net>
>>To: "'culturevirus'" <culturevirus at yahoo.com>,"'A list about all things 
>>Killing Joke (the band!)'"<gathering at misera.net>
>>Subject: RE: [kj] Jaz Straw
>>Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 23:21:12 +0100
>>
>>Oh no, I'm not generalising that it's 'keeping wimmin down' in all cases.
>>Obviously not. But to ignore
>>that reality is wrong too. I'm against the cooontish use of these things,
>>primarily.
>>
>>The thing is.. Mohammeds' words on the matter are still open to 
>>discussion,
>>so like the Bible Belt
>>view on fags & abortions, the words are reinterpreted time & again, just
>>like/as political arguments.
>>And like the Bible Belt, those arguments can be turned on all sorts of
>>people who're frowned upon.
>>Like women with rights!
>>
>>
>>ade
>>
>>   -----Original Message-----
>>   From: culturevirus [mailto:culturevirus at yahoo.com]
>>   Sent: 11 October 2006 02:17
>>   To: ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk; A list about all things Killing Joke (the
>>band!)
>>   Subject: RE: [kj] Jaz Straw
>>
>>
>>   coming out of lurkdom again... being a US based person, the politics of
>>Britain are mostly unknown to me, but we have roughly the same set of
>>circumstances in the US. I have yet to hear/read of any of our politicians
>>speaking on the subject in such a level-headed manner as Mr. Straw. Our
>>politicians tend to speak in small words and short sentences so as to
>>discourage deep thought on issues and therefore maintain knee-jerk voting
>>based on political hatred for "the other party".
>>
>>   Ade's comment (echoed by a few others) reflects the way a lot of us
>>Westerners view the hijab: as a way to keep women down or force women to
>>shoulder the burden of policing the male sexual drive. I know part of me
>>feels that way as well. But as Straw pointed out early in his column, many
>>women do choose to wear head coverings of some type. If you ask these 
>>women
>>many of them will respond that like school uniforms it keeps them equal 
>>with
>>their peers and reduces the distraction of clothing differences and 
>>focuses
>>peoples attentions on the wearer and not the clothes. Such clothing can 
>>make
>>women feel empowered as they no longer face distracted men who are (even
>>subconciously) checking out their physical features and are forced to deal
>>with the woman as a social equal.
>>
>>   I recently read a book on the history of The Habit (Catholic nun garb) 
>> and
>>many nuns feel the same way. Within the communities of these women there 
>>is
>>disagreement over whether such attire has an overall positive or negative
>>affect on their place in society. Nearly all agree however, that it sets
>>them apart from other women and puts them in a frame of reference that is
>>unique among their sex.
>>
>>   In a perfect world women will choose to wear such attire for what they
>>feel it does for them as a person and not what their sub-culture expects 
>>of
>>them.
>>
>>   I am culturevirus
>>
>>   ade <ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk> wrote:
>>     I dunno. I just think it's odd to defend a way of keeping women down.
>>Nevertheless, I'll defend the right
>>     to wear the things!
>>       -----Original Message-----
>>       From: Jim Harper [mailto:jimharper666 at yahoo.co.uk]
>>       Sent: 10 October 2006 21:32
>>       To: ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk; A list about all things Killing Joke
>>(the band!)
>>       Subject: RE: [kj] Jaz Straw
>>
>>
>>       So I take I'm missing the real issue then?
>>
>>       ade <ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk> wrote:
>>         Look, I'll make my point again - imagine the subject has no 
>> colour,
>>so we're not talking about race
>>         now. That seems to be the subtext on BOTH sides in many cases. 
>> Now
>>imagine a subject female
>>         being told she has to cover up *her* 'adornments'. Sort've puts 
>> the
>>blame at her door doesn't it.
>>
>>         It's like as if the 'institutionalised treatment of women as 
>> cattle'
>>is shorted out by the 'race' aspect.
>>
>>         A lefty nightmare.
>>
>>
>>         ade.
>>
>>
>>
>>
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