[RE]Re: [kj] OT: Few lunatic questions

[ade]

Absolutely.

I love that aspect of KJ - the motorik, cyclic groove. Same with PiL, Kraftwerk and that.

I think EDAVORE is a dipped toe in their lagacy, but still with plenty of KJ in there. One of the greatest albums of all time for me!
  -----Original Message-----
  From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of Javier
  Sent: 07 September 2006 22:59
  To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
  Subject: [RE]Re: [kj] OT: Few lunatic questions


  I can't catalog KJ as industrial, but i can see why some do. The first two albums have a very 'industrial' atmosphere, a lot of machine-like sounds. Besides you could describe their sound as tribal, but is also very, very mechanical... everything is very mechanical in both albums, you can feel some of this vibe in some tracks of "Revelations" like 'The Hum' (very mechanical) and 'We Have Joy' (all the tic-toc). Later the guitar and bass turned more 'organic' while the keyboards and samplers were a lot less 'industrial'. 
  But i could bet least the first two albums had huge influence in a lot of industrial bands. To me isn't that hard to see, KJ developed that mechanical-industrial sound that later many industrial bands used. 

  Later, along with the 'boom' of the techno-industrial movement, bands like Ministry, Revolting Cocks, Nitzer Ebb, -to name a few- emerged and were cataloged as that: Industrial. After that many guys described Ministry as industrial, and along with them bands like Killing Joke (Extremities years). That could be another explanation. 

  Still, i don't see Killing Joke as Industrial, just an influence to that scene. 

  Javi 
  Mexico city 


  >> --- Alex Smith wrote: 
  >> 
  >>> 
  >>> 1. I've never understood why people call Killing 
  >>> Joke industrial. Honestly. They play drums, guitars, 
  >>> bass and keyboards. 
  >>> Comparatively conventional instrumentation is the 
  >>> order of the day. They may share a bleak, 
  >>> apocalyptic world view with some of the "industrial" 
  >>> acts, but I don't see any connection beyond that. 
  >>> 
  >>> 2. KJ with a woman drummer or bass player? Sure, 
  >>> although I'm not sure it would necessarily fit. For 
  >>> better or worse, I think there's always been a 
  >>> prominently testosterone-centric vibe to the `Joke 
  >>> (who knows? Maybe that's been their undoing!) Much 
  >>> like, say, the early Stranglers, Killing Joke carry 
  >>> themselves like a gang of thugs. That's how they 
  >>> potray themselves and, presumably, how they live. 
  >>> That atmosphere of menace and the veiled threats of 
  >>> violence -- however ultimately childish and 
  >>> impractical -- seem like thoroughly male traits. I 
  >>> think a female in the ranks would greatly change the 
  >>> dynamic. I'd be curious to see/hear it, but I 
  >>> wouldn't hold my breath. 
  >>> 
  >>> Would you settle for Raven in a dress? 
  >>> 
  >>> Alex in NYC 
  >>> 
  >>> 
  >>> 
  >>> 
  >>> 
  >>> -----Original Message----- 
  >>>> From: Lennonka 
  >>>> Sent: Sep 5, 2006 11:47 AM 
  >>>> To: gathering at misera.net 
  >>>> Subject: [kj] OT: Few lunatic questions 
  >>>> 
  >>>> 
  >>>> 
  >>>> Please try to think about it first before you 
  >>> reprobate me : ))) 
  >>>> 
  >>>> 
  >>>> 
  >>>> 1. Tried someone to listen to KJ music after 
  >>> smoking a joint? It seemed to me more like "techno" 
  >>> than "rock". Is it because that they're so 
  >>> industrial or I smoked too much? : )) 
  >>>> 
  >>>> 2. Are they an interlink between rock music and 
  >>> electronical music? 
  >>>> 
  >>>> 3. How would you like if a woman was in a role of 
  >>> the KJ instrumentalist? 
  >>>> 
  >>>> 
  >>>> 
  >>>> Lennonka, currently in Netherlands (that is 
  >>> explaining all, I think : ))) 
  >>>> 
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