[kj] Top 10 and the "throwback" era

[Brendan Quinn]

I suppose I see those things as minor on a worldwide scale, compared to the
way for example Christianity has affected the world. I mean, I'd LIKE to
think that rock or pop has really changed things, but when I think about it,
I can't really see it, not in a big way. I just can't see Jello trying and
failing to get into office and a senator having a kid in a hardcore band etc
as anything close to the influence the bible has had, the inquisition,
crusades, the fundamentalist Christian lobby's effect on American and hence
world politics, the Christian moral majority's effect on censorship, the
effect of the pope's contraception message etc. And that's just one
religion, albeit a very influential one. I know the timeframe has been short
but we've only had nukes since 1945 or so, the www since the early nineties
etc. Structure of DNA understood since the 40s. Now we're putting spider
genes in fucking fruit or whatever... 

 

PS: I couldn't sit through that Rove fucktard doing his pathetic dance,
Christ some people have no shame.

 

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From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On
Behalf Of GREG SLAWSON
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To: gathering at misera.net
Subject: Re: [kj] Top 10 and the "throwback" era

 

Yeah, I never woulda been a fuckin' communist w/o the Clash!


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From:  "B. Oliver Sheppard" <bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net>
Reply-To:  "A list about all things Killing Joke (the
band!)"<gathering at misera.net>
To:  "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"
<gathering at misera.net>
Subject:  Re: [kj] Top 10 and the "throwback" era
Date:  Mon, 02 Apr 2007 23:01:48 -0500

>I do, actually, just like I think the folk music of Woody Guthrie 

>and before him Joe Hill had subtle ways of changing the world and 

>the way we view it.

>

>In American Hardcore one of the folks interviewed is the son of a US 

>senator. He was in the DC hardcore band Marginal Man.

>

>Jello Biafra ran for SF mayor, and ran for Pres. candidate on the 

>Green Party ticket in 2000; Jack Grisham of TSOL ran for California 

>governor a few years back. Aside from this more direct sort of 

>influence, it's beyond argument that culture in general affects how 

>folks view life. And how they view life affects how they vote but 

>also how that culture is shaped. Would we be the same now if rock 

>and roll had neever happened politically?

>

>What about Bush adviser Karl Rove doing his disgusting "MC Rove" 

>shtick at the recent Washington Press Clun thing? The "merely 

>cultural" DOES indeed translate into folks' opinions on life. I was 

>politicized and radicalized by listening to Crass, the Subhumans 

>(UK), MDC, Dead Kennedys, etc., as a youngster. It's affected the 

>political causes I've thrown myself into. The labor folk tradition 

>of Pete Seeger, Utah Phillips, Billy Bragg, and Woody Guthrie has 

>done the same... It does matter, believe it or not.

>

>-Oliver

>

>

>

>Brendan Quinn wrote:

>>Do you guys believe rock or even "popular music" has changed the 

>>world in

>>any real way? I mean, I believe it has changed individual lives, 

>>provides a

>>lot of people with entertainment and inspiration etc, but in the 

>>scheme of

>>things, it's really only been around 50 years or so, compare that 

>>to any of

>>the empires or religions. And how influential is it really? In 

>>terms of

>>trends etc, sure, perhaps it is. But compared to any of the wars,

>>totalitatian regimes, doctrines of thought, philosophy, religion, 

>>science,

>>politics, economics, laws, etc...I don't think personally it's been 

>>very

>>influential on a global level.

>>

>>Just my current opinion...

>>

>>

>>

>>

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