[kj] Top 10 and the "throwback" era

[Jerry Butson]

"you can't change the world but you can change a fact
if you change a fact you change points of view
if you change points of view you can change a vote
and if you change a vote you can change the world" -- Depeche Mode

On 03/04/07, MALCOLM ARGYLE <m.argyle at btinternet.com> wrote:

>

> I think you could build a case for bands like Crass, Conflict and the

> whole anarchist punk scene for music changing the world. Obviously not on a

> major scale, but certainly in terms of politicising people and getting

> people up of their arses and doing something about the state of the world.

>

> Just a thought

>

> Malc

>

> *Brendan Quinn <bq at soundgardener.co.nz>* wrote:

>

> Do you guys believe rock or even "popular music" has changed the world in

> any real way? I mean, I believe it has changed individual lives, provides

> a

> lot of people with entertainment and inspiration etc, but in the scheme of

> things, it's really only been around 50 years or so, compare that to any

> of

> the empires or religions. And how influential is it really? In terms of

> trends etc, sure, perhaps it is. But compared to any of the wars,

> totalitatian regimes, doctrines of thought, philosophy, religion, science,

> politics, economics, laws, etc...I don't think personally it's been very

> influential on a global level.

>

> Just my current opinion...

>

> -----Original Message-----

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> On

> Behalf Of B. Oliver Sheppard

> Sent: Tuesday, 3 April 2007 10:40 a.m.

> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

> Subject: Re: [kj] Top 10 and the "throwback" era

>

> Punk rock is a type of rock n' roll. To a lot of people it was the

> quintessential means of setting rock 'n roll back on its proper,

> rebellious course, and away from the "mistaken" turn it had taken in the

> early 70s and later in the form of arena rock, prog rock, stuff like

> Yes, ELO, Foghat, Journey, Emerson, Lake, and Palmer, Genesis, etc.

>

> But ultimately, what started the ship sailing is, yeah, by definition,

> more seminal. Lydia Lunch, in 1979 or so, in the midst of New York's

> no-wave thingy, complained that when she heard punk all she heard was

> sped up Chuck Berry riffs. Well, yeah! Chuck Berry kicked ass! (She

> meant it as an insult to distinguish no wave from punk rock.)

>

> -Oliver

>

>

> ade wrote:

> > We go on about punk being revolutionary - nowhere near as world-changing

> > as Rock'n'Roll was.

> >

> >

> >

> >

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