[kj] oliver /brendan ;-)

[Brendan]

No problems, us Librans hate miscommunications and endeavour to sort them
out whenever possible...in my case, it seems to be so that all the
attention can be on me when I put my foot in my gob with some blunt
remark... :)



> of course your not mad oliver ;-D))), but maybe a little to serious at

> times---i said" are you --pissed",i was trying to lighten the situation on

> a

> friday eve, having a laugh,i do that alot,as i see humour in

> everything,thought you would end up laughing,i did ;-D

>

>   and yes,what a characture john lydon is,i have met him many times over

> the

> years,and id say in my eyes,hes on a par with jaz,as in who i rate  highly

> both for there minds and style of music  ;-D.

>

> brendan,you added  extra bits to that whole out look on that programme and

> j.l,thnx ;-) took words right out of my mind,as i was going to do that

> todayxx

>

> i was trying to cover everything in my post on friday eve(whilst beeing

> exstremely tired after a very demanding week all around on most fronts in

> my

> life-thought id log-on to relax,saw that thing about john lydon,and felt

> compelled to defend him ;-),but some things dont always come across in

> posts

> entirely as one intended them to,john,love him,he tryied his best,under

> circumstances,i tryied my best to defend him under circumstances,olly

> tryied

> his best as he saw it,from his view point,some times we all cock it up a

> little  ;-D)))

>

> thank goodness for you brendan,you filled important gaps that said it

> all,john lydons no racist/nazi and never has been, ;-))  i always knew

> that,but perhaps others were not clear about it  ;-/

>

> melinda

>

>

>>From: "Brendan" <bq at soundgardener.co.nz>

>>Reply-To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the

>>band!)"<gathering at misera.net>

>>To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"

>><gathering at misera.net>

>>Subject: Re: [kj] oliver u sound pissed ;-/

>>Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 14:23:41 +1200 (NZST)

>>

>>Yeah I think you're mis-reading Olly too. I had exactly the same

>>impression about how Lydon came off in that interview, no biggie in it

>> but

>>that bit seemed a bit awkward, looked like the guy didn't really know how

>>to take him...but I think Lydon was just trying to be friendly and

>>connect, not ignore the other guest, in the 1-3 mins or however long

>> those

>>interviews go on for. Perhaps he wanted to explain himself to the

>> american

>>public, perhaps he thought there's some left-over association in some

>>people's minds between punk music and racist skinheads, who knows? And he

>>wanted to demonstrate that, as perhaps the biggest punk figure of all

>>time, he's totally against that...but when you're a) pissed, b) hugely

>>time constrained, and c) on live telly being interviewed, you're less

>>likely to be able to communicate subtly.

>>

>>I agree with Olly that it looked a bit like white apologist behaviour,

>> but

>>what's wrong with that? It's easy to quote cliches about ebony and ivory

>>and all that but race relations are fucking awkward at times, I didn't

>>take Olly's comments negatively towards Lydon at all. I've felt the same

>>way on both sides (being quarter lebanese) ...you say and do stupid

>>things, but only because your ethic is to demonstrate that there's NO

>> race

>>barrier to you...when in fact if you just acted normal that communicates

>>everything you wanted to say anyways. It's awkward sometimes, simple as

>>that.

>>

>> > Actually, I'm not mad; I just think I was mis-read.

>> >

>> > Believe it or not, I can claim to have met John Lydon personally. I AM

>> > FAMOUS. It was when he wrote that autobiography in the early 90s. _No

>> > Blacks, No Irish_ etc whatever.  He went on a book-signing tour in the

>> > US. He appeared at a bookstore in Dallas, TX, wearing a Dallas Stars

>> > hockey jersey. If you wanted him to sign your book you had to buy one,

>> > which in hardback was like US $25. I didn't have the $$ for that, and

>> > besides, the line was so long it curled around the back of the very

>> > large store he was at, and I was so punk at the time I thought

>> > autographs were for morons.

>> >

>> > A lot of punks were hanging around outside, not buying his book of

>> > course, too, but nonetheless sitting around on the benches as if it

>> were

>> > a punk gig. I'm sure the book store managers loved that. They were

>> used

>> > to book signings by people like Dean Koontz and Joan Collins -- not

>> THIS

>> > crowd.

>> >

>> > I went inside and even though I didn't have a copy of his bio me and a

>> > friend got close to to the table he was at, which was very awkward. He

>> > sort of looked up at us. I said, "Hi," and he said, "Hi." That was it.

>> > MAGICAL, isn't it!?!?

>> >

>> > In any event I know more about Lydon than I do 98% of US presidents.

>> > Even so, I still hold the apparently damnable and atrocious opinion I

>> > do, which is actually very mld and quite innocuous, about that Kimmel

>> > interview. Quentin Tarantino did an interview on Leno where he was

>> blind

>> > drunk and came off a lot worse than Lydon ever has, if that means

>> > anything. Then again, I can't stand Tarantino. He annoys the fuck out

>> of

>> > me.

>> >

>> > -Oliver

>> >

>> >

>> > melinda grant wrote:

>> >> oliver-- thats why i bothered to exsplain to you--you were having a

>> go

>> >> at johns bahaviour,because you thought he ment somethings,by acting

>> >> akward and wierd as you said it,towards the actor black

>> >> guy.......................

>> >>

>> >> i filed in the gaps for you--which if you had known in first

>> place,you

>> >> would not of drawn that conclusion on johns approach towards the

>> actor

>> >> guy----id say i did you a favour,now you want to carry it on ;-/  you

>> >> were wrong about john ok,its not a compeition ;-)

>> >>

>> >>

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