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[Brendan]

Stop being so brainy! Are you hooked up to Skylab or something? Fuck's
sake...

;p

One of the reasons I wanted to learn german (which is terrible now after
years of disuse) is to read Neitzsche, Goethe, and the other german
philosophers and authors who wrote in german, in their native tongue.

Another was to get laid, but that was back in the day and didn't
work....well not immediately and not on the intended target.

And yeah, Nietzsche makes me laugh sometimes. One of my favourite quotes is:

Turning away shall be my only negation...

After which he turns right back again and continues the polemic...

It's a nice ethic to have, works sometimes, but a bit unrealistic at
others. As I always say, two negatives make a positive :)


> I agree with you about Nietzsche and the Nazis having way less in common

> than popular culture often makes one think. In fact, Nietzsche was

> ardently against German nationalism and hated anti-Semites. He refused

> to attend his sister's wedding, in fact, because she was marrying an

> anti-Semite.

>

> He was misogynistic and voiced some other unsavory opinions, however.

> But he was not proto-fascist. Georges Bataille wrote a great essay in

> the 1930s called something like "Nietzsche and the Nazis" that does a

> great job of rescuing Nietzsche from the Nazis' clutches.

>

> The reputation Nietzsche has as proto-Nazi largely comes from his

> sister, who survived him and inherited his papers, books, etc. As I

> mentioned, she married a famous anti-Semite of the day. She lived long

> enough to see Hitler come to power and gave Hitler the gift of

> Nietzsche's walking cane. Hitler also posed next to a bust of Nietzsche.

> Nietzsche's sister loved this. She also cobbled together (and possibly

> ghost wrote large sections of) Nietzsche's posthumous "book" _Will to

> Power_. It's largely thanks to her he's as associated with Nazism as he

> is.

>

> Nietzche was also not exactly some feminist humanist, either, though. He

> changed his opinions a lot, was contradictory, inconsistent,

> intentionally inflammatory and provocative, etc. However, there are

> "left-Nietzscheans" (like Bataille, Foucault, and others) and right-wing

> Nietzscheans (like Leo Strauss and folks involved with early fascism who

> thought they were Nietzsche-influenced). He's hard to peg on a

> left-right spectrum.

>

> -Oliver

>

>

> Brendan wrote:

>> Nietzsche would have puked at the thought of the Nazis using what he

>> wrote, which isn't to defend him totally, he was definitely misogynistic

>> and a few other things (so was most of the country at the time), but

>> saying he was an inspiration for the Nazis is about as accurate as

>> saying

>> that the Beatles were an inspiration for Charles Manson. It was a one

>> way

>> street...some nutters take inspiration from what they will, doesn't mean

>> there's anything inherently evil in it in the first place.

>>

>> Comparing KJ to the Nazis is plain thick. Comparing them to Nietzsche is

>> in some ways valid. Jaz amusingly points out that he lost interest in

>> Nietzsche when he found out that he lived with his Mum =)

>>

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