[kj] That troll guy's on-list rehashing of the Iraq war stuff

[Mister Black]

Leigh, now stop saying that I'm a wind up , I have a suspicion that some people on this list are being deliberately obtuse  just to wind me up . For example : The New Zealand detective guy who came to the conclusion that I put that video together. Oliver saying that some Turban wearers had to remove their Turbans in order to appease the U.S. and now you seem to be deliberately misunderstanding me Leigh and so I must correct you , I did not say that Tony Wilson was responsible for promoting bands on his TV show, I did say that Tony Wilson was professional irresponsible for ONLY promoting the bands that he liked on his TV show . If he wanted to make a decent TV programme about music, then he should have an eclectic mixture of bands , various bands of different styles to cater for all tastes . He had a responsibility to make a TV programme that would appeal to a general audience and not just an audience that shared his musical tastes.
  Its not me thats a wind up...........its you who had difficulty understanding simple English that is the problem. Do people on here deliberately misinterpret things or are my sentences to complex for you to understand?





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Message Received: Aug 15 2007, 05:38 AM
From: "Leigh Newton" 
To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" 
Cc: 
Subject: Re: [kj] That troll guy's on-list rehashing of the Iraq war stuff

Oliver, since you're fairly new around here, you are excused for trying to engage Peter West (aka Mister Black) in a debate. We all gave that a try before we knew better. 

As for the rest of you: for shame. You people complain about how much this guy winds you up, yet you're always coming back for more. 

Now personally, I like when Peter is active on the list cuz it makes things fairly funny and I get to read shit like Tony Wilson was irresponsible for using his TV show to promote bands. But all the Iraq bullshit is boring the tits off me and probably others as well and you guys are taking it seriously, like you think you're gonna reason with the guy. Like he isn't just trying to get your goat at every turn. I mean, it's literally been years of this shit now. Are you kidding me? 

Leigh


----- Original Message ----
From: B. Oliver Sheppard 
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) 
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 6:15:10 PM
Subject: [kj] That troll guy's on-list rehashing of the Iraq war stuff


Last word on reasons for US invasion of Iraq:

Slavoj Zizek gave a great story about what the logic behind the invasion 
- as presented to the US public by actual policymakers (and not armchair 
cyber-warriors like Mr. Black, or other 
aggro-but-can't-be-bothered-to-fight-myself pro-war bloggers):


"In order the render the strange logic of dreams, Freud cited the old 
joke about the borrowed kettle: 1) I never borrowed a kettle from you, 
2) I returned the kettle to yu intact, 3) the kettle was already broken 
when I got it from you. Such an enumeration of inconsistent arguments, 
of course, confirms exactly what it endeavours to deny -- that I 
returned a broken kettle to you. That same inconsistency [Zizek argues] 
characterized the justification of the attack on Iraq, whereby a link to 
Saddam's regime and al-Qaeda was transformed into the threat posed by 
the regime to the region, which was then further twisted into the menace 
hanging over everyone (but the US and Britain above all) of WMDs. When 
no significant weapons were actually found, we were treated to the same 
bizarre logic: OK, the two labs we found don't really prove anything, 
but even if there were no WMDs in Iraq, we can still come up with other 
good reasons to have toppled Saddam..."


-from Slavoj Zizek's Iraq: The Broken Kettle


Good stuff!

-Oliver






Mister Black wrote:

>

> Yes , its besides the point whether USA supported Iraq during the 

> Iran/Iraq war or not . The bottom line is that Saddam waged war 

> against Iran . The U.S. probably supported Iraq because of the 

> revolution going on in Iran at the time. Iraq was seen as the lesser 

> evil and the lesser threatening.

>

> Oliver: You are correct , I didn keep up with the lead up to the war 

> , keep up with the happenings in America , for the simple reason is 

> that I'm from the UK and have no interest with what happens in the 

> U.S.and do not watch American TV.

>

> I know that many Americans are small minded and believe that all eyes 

> are on them and that everyone follows American Politics , but if you 

> leave the shores of America, you will be surprised to find out that 

> many people have no interest at all in what happens in America .

>

> Can you not understand that I wasnt here and therefore didnt know 

> that the KJ link had been previously posted .

>

>

>

>

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> Message Received: Aug 14 2007, 10:51 PM

> From: "Brendan"

> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"

> Cc:

> Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Tony Wilson RIP (scandal)

>

> To add to that...the 'States supported Saddam's regime in the war

> vs Iran,

> during and after his use of chemical weapons...hardly a very

> ethical thing

> to do is it, also hardly a valid reason to turn against the guy. Also

> makes it hard to pretend you have the moral high-ground...unless

> of course

> you have batallions of PR lairs and media whores at your

> disposal...and

> millions of credulous morons lapping it up.

>

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._support_for_Iraq_during_the_Iran-Iraq_war

>

> "You can stand, on your head, and SPOUT RHETORIC, but the only

> problem I

> see, is FORENSIC"

>

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