[kj] Killing joke and Communism

[Brendan]

The catholics (whose dogma I was unfortunate to be brainwashed with pretty
much from birth) were involved with providing escape routes for Nazi war
criminals at the end of WWII, well documented:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ratlines_(history)



>> They also used Nazis saluting a pope! One of my fave band-appropriated

> images ever used.

>

> This one is the best - showing the Catholic church's duplicity: "We don't

> want to upset the Nazi's in case they win & come looking for us". Nice!

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net

> [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of B. Oliver Sheppard

> Sent: 21 August 2007 21:55

> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

> Subject: Re: [kj] Killing joke and Communism

>

>

> I like the Killng Joke hammer & sickle logo. I'm pretty sure Alex is

> right that it is an ultimately meaningless thing, a kind of punk-era

> playing with ideological symbols of the past to be provocative -- the

> Sex Pistols wore swastikas, they did also wear commie symbols (and not

> just in the Alex Cox movie) while bands like Durruti Column were named

> after an anarchist band, and Crass of course employed the crossed-out

> cross and circle-A, though, dammit, they were serious. Punk started all

> that "let;s use provocative political symbols to get a rise out of

> people" stuff.

>

> A few years ago there was a trend of army green messenger bags with red

> stars on them, or black shirts with a big red star on the, probably

> intended to invoke associations w/ communism and/or anarcho-syndicalism.

> Of these are all made by capitalist outfitters. It's one of those

> punk-started things that percolated up into mass market conusmerist

> culture.

>

> Jaz's political statements have been so wild and varied over the years I

> dunno where to consistently place him on any scale.

>

> They also used Nazis saluting a pope! One of my fave band-appropriated

> images ever used. :)

>

> -Oliver

>

>

> Frank Frik wrote:

>> And perhaps British labour goverment wouldn't be offended...lnew

>> labour from communists is not that far....swastica defended/and do

>> the ''conservationist democrat centrist right wing. partys''.

>>

>> */Mister Black <ssssssssss at fsmail.net>/* wrote:

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