[kj] Killing joke and Communism

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Now Petes alter-egos are having a go at you!

-----Original Message-----
From: gathering-bounces at misera.net
[mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of Brendan
Sent: 21 August 2007 22:22
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
Subject: Re: [kj] Killing joke and Communism


No offence intended! :)


> brendan, are you talking here to me or to Mister Black. I am German, no

> offence taken.

>

> Brendan <bq at soundgardener.co.nz> wrote:  Do you have some mad hatter's hat

> with words cut out from a Czech

> newspaper that you get your blindfolded pet monkey to reach into randomly

> and hand to you half-chewed, and then type into emails one handed with a

> mallet while on an amphetamine binge...by any chance? Cos that's the

> effect I'm getting...no offence ;p

>

>> And perhaps British labour goverment wouldn't be offended...lnew labour

>> from communists is not that far....swastica defended/and do the

>> ''conservationist democrat centrist right wing. partys''.

>>

>> Mister Black wrote: image designed to shock and

>> offend (witness Alex Cox's revisionist switching of the swastika to the

>> soviet hammer-n'-sickle symbol on Sid Vicious' red t-shirt in the

>> slavishly overrated "Sid & Nancy.")"

>>

>> :) Why did the editor do that? Maybe it was to offend all the original

>> punks who went to see the movie . Would that be classed as ironic? Left

>> wing punks being offended because they took Sids Swastika off and

>> replaced it with a Hammer and Sickle !!!!!!!!!. Makes me chuckle

>> thinking about it . Is that the ultimate offensive statement , the only

>> person in the whole world who wouldnt be offended by that is Greg

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> =======================================Message Received: Aug 21 2007,

>> 06:48 PM

>> From: "Alexander Smith"

>> To: ssssssssss at fsmail.net, "A list about all things Killing Joke (the

>> band!)"

>> Cc:

>> Subject: Re: [kj] Killing joke and Communism

>>

>>

>>

>> I have to say, I've always been somewhat baffled by the hammer-n'-sickle

>> iconography as well. My guess is that it's merely an appropriation of an

>> image designed to shock and offend (witness Alex Cox's revisionist

>> switching of the swastika to the soviet hammer-n'-sickle symbol on Sid

>> Vicious' red t-shirt in the slavishly overrated "Sid & Nancy.")

>>

>>

>> Killing Joke -- much like many of their post-punk peers -- always

>> seemed to flirt with Cold War imagery, so I'm guessing it stems from

>> that. I don't believe they espouse any Leninist ideals, however.

>>

>>

>> Could be wrong, though.

>>

>>

>> Alex in NYC

>>

>>

>>

>> On Aug 21, 2007, at 1:15 PM, Mister Black wrote:

>>

>> I dont recall Killing Joke ever supporting the Communist cause , they

>> have on numerous occasions rejected the Capitalist school of thought

>> , but theyve never actually come out if favour of Communism , so I

>> cannot understand why the Hammer and Syckle featured on the cover of

>> the live DVD . Have Killing Joke ever given their support to any

>> Politicians or Political party ?

>>

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