[kj] Killing joke and Communism

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Phew. I'm alright then.

-----Original Message-----
From: gathering-bounces at misera.net
[mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of cliffmonka at alaska.net
Sent: 22 August 2007 06:32
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
Subject: Re: [kj] Killing joke and Communism


i only joined the gathering because i thought it was for nazi,serial killing,kiddie
rape,homosexuals,that go to church and shoot speed in their eye sockets.
thanks for clearing that up.



> Catholics are fucking bastards in all dimentions. Now Irish cunts are taking

> russian bastards live and work in Ireland and got rid of British defence too. I

> would love to see Ireland in 50 years time. Perhaps they will manage level of these

> days of ekonomic of India if not worse.

>

> Brendan <bq at soundgardener.co.nz> wrote:  The catholics (whose dogma I was

> unfortunate to be brainwashed with pretty

> much from birth) were involved with providing escape routes for Nazi war

> criminals at the end of WWII, well documented:

>

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ratlines_(history)

>

>

>>> They also used Nazis saluting a pope! One of my fave band-appropriated

>> images ever used.

>>

>> This one is the best - showing the Catholic church's duplicity: "We don't

>> want to upset the Nazi's in case they win & come looking for us". Nice!

>>

>> -----Original Message-----

>> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net

>> [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of B. Oliver Sheppard

>> Sent: 21 August 2007 21:55

>> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

>> Subject: Re: [kj] Killing joke and Communism

>>

>>

>> I like the Killng Joke hammer & sickle logo. I'm pretty sure Alex is

>> right that it is an ultimately meaningless thing, a kind of punk-era

>> playing with ideological symbols of the past to be provocative -- the

>> Sex Pistols wore swastikas, they did also wear commie symbols (and not

>> just in the Alex Cox movie) while bands like Durruti Column were named

>> after an anarchist band, and Crass of course employed the crossed-out

>> cross and circle-A, though, dammit, they were serious. Punk started all

>> that "let;s use provocative political symbols to get a rise out of

>> people" stuff.

>>

>> A few years ago there was a trend of army green messenger bags with red

>> stars on them, or black shirts with a big red star on the, probably

>> intended to invoke associations w/ communism and/or anarcho-syndicalism.

>> Of these are all made by capitalist outfitters. It's one of those

>> punk-started things that percolated up into mass market conusmerist

>> culture.

>>

>> Jaz's political statements have been so wild and varied over the years I

>> dunno where to consistently place him on any scale.

>>

>> They also used Nazis saluting a pope! One of my fave band-appropriated

>> images ever used. :)

>>

>> -Oliver

>>

>>

>> Frank Frik wrote:

>>> And perhaps British labour goverment wouldn't be offended...lnew

>>> labour from communists is not that far....swastica defended/and do

>>> the ''conservationist democrat centrist right wing. partys''.

>>>

>>> */Mister Black /* wrote:

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