[kj] Killing joke and Communism

[Mister Black]

Greg , In the Capitalist society , anyone who isnt earning their money and proving their worth is soon shown the door , its the communist society that employs non productive  people and keeps them in employment .
    You imply that  going too meetings shouldn't be classified as  "working" , but these meetings are necessary and important . The worker making things needs to be told what to make , you need someone higher up and better educated making the important decisions



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Message Received: Aug 23 2007, 01:08 AM
From: "GREG SLAWSON" 
To: ssssssssss at fsmail.net
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Subject: RE: [kj] Killing joke and Communism

How about paying people (CEOs) who do no work (well, ok, they go to meetings) hundreds of times what the people who actually do the work make...oh, right, they "take the risks" so they deserve it. Capitalist logic cracks me up. And, try finding any scientific evidence about a 'human survival instinct' that has anything to do w/capitalist behavior and I'll join the Libertain Party!




From: ssssssssss at fsmail.net
To: gathering at misera.net
Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 22:28:33 +0200
Subject: Re: [kj] Killing joke and Communism

"(with all goods distributed according to need, not status)"
 
 Well, we all dont *need* much to survive , no one *needs* expensive cars or Jewellery or  large houses or anything of that nature , all we "need" is food , shelter and water . You dont realise Greg that people consuming things keeps others in employment . If we only consumed what we needed, then that would take away many peoples employment .
    And who decides who needs what? That Human survival instinct makes us naturally Capitalist . In Communist Countries , there is only minimal need for consumer goods , so there is a lot of people without jobs to do, so they have 20 people "employed" to do a one man job .
  How about giving goods to people who contribute the most to society? How about giving people who make the most contribution a piece of paper entitling them to rewards for there hard work? How about calling this piece of paper: Money? *
 
*Is that the correct punctuation ?






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Message Received: Aug 22 2007, 04:36 AM
From: "GREG SLAWSON" 
To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" 
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Subject: Re: [kj] Killing joke and Communism

I respectfully disagree. Socialism (the big S one?) is what existed in the USSR and China and is hanging on in Cuba. They all maintained heirarchical leadership, wage slavery and wage differences, and economic/political classes. And in China and Russia they led to the current grotesque forms of capitalism (rampant unemployment, crime, drugs, alienation, social unrest, poverty). The other (small s?) or Euro-socialism certainly has advantages (as displayed in the new Micheal Moore film) but maintains all the bad parts of capitalism (unemployment, alienation, 
crime, economic cylcles, top-down leadership, etc). I prefer communism with a big C--summed up in a slogan I made up: 
No wages (with all goods distributed according to need, not status), 
No stages (as in stages from national liberation to socialism to communism, which has failed in countless countries), 
No borders (one world, one party, one flag), 
No orders (all decisions made collectively).
A lot of this stuff can be found at www.plp.org...


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