[kj] Killing joke and Communism

Brendan bq at soundgardener.co.nz
Thu Aug 23 17:42:07 EDT 2007

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As I said, the Manifesto will address all of these concerns...

I keep the Manifesto as a 'virtual' document (in my head) so that:

a) it's can't be shoved sideways up my arse by angry hippies or corporate
whores, and:

b) taking a lead from the Christians / Mormons, if only I have a copy of
it, I can quote it at whim as gospel and it can't be refuted!

=)

> <html><div style='background-color:'>If you listen to Total Invasion,

> and the whole thrust of the KJ 2003 album's response to 'The War', sounds

> like good old 'blind punk against the obviously bad to our sort'. ("Fuck

> art, lets dance", sort of thing.) We take the politics any way we

> want to express the basic messages.  The West are killing people for

> oil.  They dont have to die.  They are killing their own people

> to do it, via warfare.  Then they impose their own culture and

> agenda.  Obvious I know, but as far as Communism goes, maybe you

> could use any political system to express ones feelings (TORIES

> AGAINST THE MACHINE?)  They'd all turn their words in the direction

> of whatever people identified as 'bad', in order to get the vote.What

> was it he sang in Implant?  "SHOVE YOUR ID CARD UP YOUR

> ARSE..."  Full Manifesto! 

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> From: "ade" <ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk> Reply-To: "A

> list about all things Killing Joke (the

> band!)"<gathering at misera.net> To: "A list about all things

> Killing Joke (the band!)" <gathering at misera.net> Subject:

> Re: [kj] Killing joke and Communism Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007

> 23:20:22 +0100 >Mate, *any* system you can think of is

> imperfect. > >-----Original Message----- >From:

> gathering-bounces at misera.net >[mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On

> Behalf Of Brendan >Sent: 22 August 2007 23:15 >To: A list

> about all things Killing Joke (the band!) >Subject: Re: [kj] Killing

> joke and Communism > > >You need to realise that

> 'economic growth' of x% / year is >unsustainable...a percentage

> growth / year equation, similar to >compounding interest, results in

> exponential growth. All the economies >(and corporations) are

> constantly comparing their progress in terms of >profit growth,

> market share growth, asset growth etc, against each other. >It's a

> race. > >However with finite resources, exponential growth

> eventually hits the >wall...even if you can automate everything to

> death so that machines are >perpetually exponentially more

> productive than humans...your natural >resources run out, and / or

> waste builds up to the point where it

> stymies >production. > >It's one of the many problems

> with capitalism. Having said that, I agree >that I'd prefer to be

> living in a demorcatic capitalist society than a >repressive regime,

> just pointing out that it's an imperfect system...as >Ade and Olly

> and some others have pointed out, they all are. (Robert

> Anton >Wilson's

> core message wrapped up right there). > >Having said that, I'm

> still working on my Manifesto, which aims to address >all of the

> above ;P > > > "(with all goods distributed according to

> need, not status)" > > > > Well, we all dont *need* much

> to survive , no one *needs* expensive cars > > or Jewellery or

> large houses or anything of that nature , all we "need" > > is

> food , shelter and water . You dont realise Greg that people

> consuming > > things keeps others in employment . If we only

> consumed what we needed, > > then that would take away many

> peoples employment . > > And who decides who needs what? That

> Human survival instinct makes us > > naturally Capitalist . In

> Communist Countries , there is only minimal > > need for consumer

> goods , so there is a lot of people without

> jobs to > > do, so they have 20 people "employed" to do a one man

> job . > > How about giving goods to people who contribute the

> most to society? How > > about giving people who make the most

> contribution a piece of paper > > entitling them to rewards for

> there hard work? How about calling this > > piece of paper:

> Money? * > > > > *Is that the correct punctuation

> ? > > > > > > > > > > >

> > ======================================== > > Message

> Received: Aug 22 2007, 04:36 AM > > From: "GREG SLAWSON" >

> > To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" > >

> Cc: > > Subject: Re: [kj] Killing joke and Communism >

> > > > I respectfully disagree. Socialism (the big S one?) is

> what existed in the > > USSR

> and China and is hanging on in Cuba. They all maintained

> heirarchical > > leadership, wage slavery and wage differences,

> and economic/political > > classes. And in China and Russia they

> led to the current grotesque forms > > of capitalism (rampant

> unemployment, crime, drugs, alienation, social > > unrest,

> poverty). The other (small s?) or Euro-socialism certainly has >

> > advantages (as displayed in the new Micheal Moore film) but maintains

> all > > the bad parts of capitalism (unemployment,

> alienation, > > crime, economic cylcles, top-down leadership,

> etc). I prefer communism > > with a big C--summed up in a slogan

> I made up: > > No wages (with all goods distributed according to

> need, not status), > > No stages (as in stages from national

> liberation to socialism to > > communism, which has

> failed in countless countries), > > No borders (one world, one

> party, one flag), > > No orders (all decisions made

> collectively). > > A lot of this stuff can be found at

> www.plp.org... > > > >> From:

> folkdevil_23 at hotmail.com > >> To: gathering at misera.net >

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