[kj] Killing joke and Communism

[Mister Black]

Please do not speak to Frank like that Brendan , otherwise me and you are going to fall out . Frank is still unsure about how all this works .





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Message Received: Aug 24 2007, 04:51 AM
From: "Brendan" 
To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" 
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Subject: Re: [kj] Killing joke and Communism

Don't email the whole list then shittard.


> I was talking to Paul and not to you, Brendan.

>

> ps I am not surprised that Paul is talking about autism in England.

>

> Brendan wrote:

> So I take it you still have three quarters of your foreskin...? No pics

> necessary.

>

> Bis Bald.

>

>

>> I am Aryan, but I have 1/4 of Jews blood.

>>

>> This is a top secret in my family and my mum...o dear...she has changed

>> even my surname when I was born ...

>>

>> paul wady

> wrote:

>> Do you mean that you are German Frank?

>>

>> Yes, lots of Autistic kids have 'normal' parents, or very high

>> functioners

>> so you wouldnt think they where.

>> (Apart from the huge scrap books of favourite Radio Aerial photo's,

>> encyclopaedic knowledge of Star Trek, sensitivity of brick wall etc.)

>>

>>

>>

>> Keep Smiling...

>>

>> ---------------------------------

>> From: Frank Frik

>> Reply-To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the

>> band!)"

>> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"

>>

>> Subject: Re: [kj] Killing joke and Communism

>> Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 06:07:31 -0700 (PDT)

>>

>> Paul, well how just to say that...''.I like your sence of humor ''would

>> be the 'repeat'..but it is.

>>

>> Paul, you wrote about autistic parents. Tell me, please, the children of

>> autistic parents are not autistic?

>>

>> My mum is a teacher and they are separating autistic children from not

>> autistic children,,,well, I will not write egzact location, but you do

>> know that I am an Aryan.

>>

>> paul wady

> wrote:

>> If you listen to Total Invasion, and the whole thrust of the KJ 2003

>> album's response to 'The War', sounds like good old 'blind punk

>> against the obviously bad to our sort'. ("Fuck art, lets dance",

>> sort of thing.)

>>

>> We take the politics any way we want to express the basic messages. The

>> West are killing people for oil. They dont have to die. They are killing

>> their own people to do it, via warfare. Then they impose their own

>> culture and agenda. Obvious I know, but as far as Communism goes, maybe

>> you could use any political system to express ones feelings (TORIES

>> AGAINST THE MACHINE?) They'd all turn their words in the direction of

>> whatever people identified as 'bad', in order to get the vote.

>> What was it he sang in Implant? "SHOVE YOUR ID CARD UP YOUR ARSE..."

>> Full Manifesto!

>>

>>

>> Keep Smiling...

>>

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>> From: "ade"

>> Reply-To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the

>> band!)"

>> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"

>>

>> Subject: Re: [kj] Killing joke and Communism

>> Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 23:20:22 +0100

>>>Mate, *any* system you can think of is imperfect.

>>>

>>>-----Original Message-----

>>>From: gathering-bounces at misera.net

>>>[mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of Brendan

>>>Sent: 22 August 2007 23:15

>>>To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

>>>Subject: Re: [kj] Killing joke and Communism

>>>

>>>

>>>You need to realise that 'economic growth' of x% / year is

>>>unsustainable...a percentage growth / year equation, similar to

>>>compounding interest, results in exponential growth. All the economies

>>>(and corporations) are constantly comparing their progress in terms of

>>>profit growth, market share growth, asset growth etc, against each

>>> other..

>>>It's a race.

>>>

>>>However with finite resources, exponential growth eventually hits the

>>>wall...even if you can automate everything to death so that machines are

>>>perpetually exponentially more productive than humans...your natural

>>>resources run out, and / or waste builds up to the point where it

>>> stymies

>>>production.

>>>

>>>It's one of the many problems with capitalism. Having said that, I agree

>>>that I'd prefer to be living in a demorcatic capitalist society than a

>>>repressive regime, just pointing out that it's an imperfect system...as

>>>Ade and Olly and some others have pointed out, they all are. (Robert

>>> Anton

>>>Wilson's core message wrapped up right there).

>>>

>>>Having said that, I'm still working on my Manifesto, which aims to

>>> address

>>>all of the above ;P

>>>

>>> > "(with all goods distributed according to need, not status)"

>>> >

>>> > Well, we all dont *need* much to survive , no one *needs* expensive

>>> cars

>>> > or Jewellery or large houses or anything of that nature , all we

>>> "need"

>>> > is food , shelter and water . You dont realise Greg that people

>>> consuming

>>> > things keeps others in employment . If we only consumed what we

>>> needed,

>>> > then that would take away many peoples employment .

>>> > And who decides who needs what? That Human survival instinct makes us

>>> > naturally Capitalist . In Communist Countries , there is only minimal

>>> > need for consumer goods , so there is a lot of people without jobs to

>>> > do, so they have 20 people "employed" to do a one man job .

>>> > How about giving goods to people who contribute the most to society?

>>> How

>>> > about giving people who make the most contribution a piece of paper

>>> > entitling them to rewards for there hard work? How about calling this

>>> > piece of paper: Money? *

>>> >

>>> > *Is that the correct punctuation ?

>>> >

>>> >

>>> >

>>> >

>>> >

>>> > =======================================> > Message Received: Aug 22

>>> 2007, 04:36 AM

>>> > From: "GREG SLAWSON"

>>> > To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"

>>> > Cc:

>>> > Subject: Re: [kj] Killing joke and Communism

>>> >

>>> > I respectfully disagree. Socialism (the big S one?) is what existed

>>> in

>>> the

>>> > USSR and China and is hanging on in Cuba. They all maintained

>>> heirarchical

>>> > leadership, wage slavery and wage differences, and economic/political

>>> > classes. And in China and Russia they led to the current grotesque

>>> forms

>>> > of capitalism (rampant unemployment, crime, drugs, alienation, social

>>> > unrest, poverty). The other (small s?) or Euro-socialism certainly

>>> has

>>> > advantages (as displayed in the new Micheal Moore film) but maintains

>>> all

>>> > the bad parts of capitalism (unemployment, alienation,

>>> > crime, economic cylcles, top-down leadership, etc). I prefer

>>> communism

>>> > with a big C--summed up in a slogan I made up:

>>> > No wages (with all goods distributed according to need, not status),

>>> > No stages (as in stages from national liberation to socialism to

>>> > communism, which has failed in countless countries),

>>> > No borders (one world, one party, one flag),

>>> > No orders (all decisions made collectively).

>>> > A lot of this stuff can be found at www.plp.org...

>>> >

>>> >> From: folkdevil_23 at hotmail.com

>>> >> To: gathering at misera.net

>>> >> Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 16:47:54 -0700

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