[kj] Gathering Digest, Vol 45, Issue 129 Issue 126 s.man-- your new to list

[Frank Frik]

OK,Marcel. What I am doing here is: rambling and not very.....responding by having a go at whoever is sitting in the hot seat..for surrending past of the rebate....
   
  Friends told me, that here are intelligent debates about musik. They were wrong. Instead these English started critisize/not understand  me. Real communers mostly. About the Killing Joke. I dont like his appearance,his make-up, his melodies, his ...you name it.  UND: his politics. Is he communer/socialist/labourclass representative, the communist?  
   
  And Aryans wouldn't think twice, if English are asking in debates or whereever for the BLITZ KRIEG. We are not losers. Enlish-are. nUND: always will be the LOSERS. Everywhere.
   
  Frank, Austria

Marcel <spooman at freenet.de> wrote:
  
Frank, I think you've got me wrong; I do prefer Killing Joke to Rammstein. I don't think it makes sense to compare these bands at all. RS may be perfect entertainment in their best moments but KJ is about something else. They're dealing with different issues that are more to me than entertainment. Besides I prefer their music to Rammstein's. But that is all a matter of taste, isn't it? - and it's a waste of time to argue about it. Especially on a mail-thread that is about Killing Joke.

Fahre wohl, Marcel

cheers, Marcel

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>Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 17:40:23 -0700 (PDT)

>From: Frank Frik 

>Subject: Re: [kj] Killing joke and Communism

>To: "A list about all things Killing Joke \(the band!\)"

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>I was talking to Paul and not to you, Brendan. 

> 

> ps I am not surprised that Paul is talking about autism in England.

>

>Brendan wrote:

> So I take it you still have three quarters of your foreskin...? No pics

>necessary.

>

>Bis Bald.

>

>

>> I am Aryan, but I have 1/4 of Jews blood.

>>

>> This is a top secret in my family and my mum...o dear...she has changed

>> even my surname when I was born ...

>>

>> paul wady 

>wrote:

>> Do you mean that you are German Frank?

>>

>> Yes, lots of Autistic kids have 'normal' parents, or very high functioners

>> so you wouldnt think they where.

>> (Apart from the huge scrap books of favourite Radio Aerial photo's,

>> encyclopaedic knowledge of Star Trek, sensitivity of brick wall etc.)

>>

>>

>>

>> Keep Smiling...

>>

>> ---------------------------------

>> From: Frank Frik 

>> Reply-To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the

>> band!)"

>> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"

>> 

>> Subject: Re: [kj] Killing joke and Communism

>> Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 06:07:31 -0700 (PDT)

>>

>> Paul, well how just to say that...''.I like your sence of humor ''would

>> be the 'repeat'..but it is.

>>

>> Paul, you wrote about autistic parents. Tell me, please, the children of

>> autistic parents are not autistic?

>>

>> My mum is a teacher and they are separating autistic children from not

>> autistic children,,,well, I will not write egzact location, but you do

>> know that I am an Aryan.

>>

>> paul wady 

>wrote:

>> If you listen to Total Invasion, and the whole thrust of the KJ 2003

>> album's response to 'The War', sounds like good old 'blind punk

>> against the obviously bad to our sort'. ("Fuck art, lets dance",

>> sort of thing.)

>>

>> We take the politics any way we want to express the basic messages. The

>> West are killing people for oil. They dont have to die. They are killing

>> their own people to do it, via warfare. Then they impose their own

>> culture and agenda. Obvious I know, but as far as Communism goes, maybe

>> you could use any political system to express ones feelings (TORIES

>> AGAINST THE MACHINE?) They'd all turn their words in the direction of

>> whatever people identified as 'bad', in order to get the vote.

>> What was it he sang in Implant? "SHOVE YOUR ID CARD UP YOUR ARSE..."

>> Full Manifesto!

>>

>>

>> Keep Smiling...

>>

>> ---------------------------------

>> From: "ade" 

>> Reply-To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the

>> band!)"

>> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"

>> 

>> Subject: Re: [kj] Killing joke and Communism

>> Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 23:20:22 +0100

>>>Mate, *any* system you can think of is imperfect.

>>>

>>>-----Original Message-----

>>>From: gathering-bounces at misera.net

>>>[mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of Brendan

>>>Sent: 22 August 2007 23:15

>>>To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

>>>Subject: Re: [kj] Killing joke and Communism

>>>

>>>

>>>You need to realise that 'economic growth' of x% / year is

>>>unsustainable...a percentage growth / year equation, similar to

>>>compounding interest, results in exponential growth. All the economies

>>>(and corporations) are constantly comparing their progress in terms of

>>>profit growth, market share growth, asset growth etc, against each

>>> other..

>>>It's a race.

>>>

>>>However with finite resources, exponential growth eventually hits the

>>>wall...even if you can automate everything to death so that machines are

>>>perpetually exponentially more productive than humans...your natural

>>>resources run out, and / or waste builds up to the point where it stymies

>>>production.

>>>

>>>It's one of the many problems with capitalism. Having said that, I agree

>>>that I'd prefer to be living in a demorcatic capitalist society than a

>>>repressive regime, just pointing out that it's an imperfect system...as

>>>Ade and Olly and some others have pointed out, they all are. (Robert

>>> Anton

>>>Wilson's core message wrapped up right there).

>>>

>>>Having said that, I'm still working on my Manifesto, which aims to

>>> address

>>>all of the above ;P

>>>

>>> > "(with all goods distributed according to need, not status)"

>>> >

>>> > Well, we all dont *need* much to survive , no one *needs* expensive

>>> cars

>>> > or Jewellery or large houses or anything of that nature , all we

>>> "need"

>>> > is food , shelter and water . You dont realise Greg that people

>>> consuming

>>> > things keeps others in employment . If we only consumed what we

>>> needed,

>>> > then that would take away many peoples employment .

>>> > And who decides who needs what? That Human survival instinct makes us

>>> > naturally Capitalist . In Communist Countries , there is only minimal

>>> > need for consumer goods , so there is a lot of people without jobs to

>>> > do, so they have 20 people "employed" to do a one man job .

>>> > How about giving goods to people who contribute the most to society?

>>> How

>>> > about giving people who make the most contribution a piece of paper

>>> > entitling them to rewards for there hard work? How about calling this

>>> > piece of paper: Money? *

>>> >

>>> > *Is that the correct punctuation ?

>>> >

>>> >

>>> >

>>> >

>>> >

>>> > =======================================> > Message Received: Aug 22

>>> 2007, 04:36 AM

>>> > From: "GREG SLAWSON"

>>> > To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"

>>> > Cc:

>>> > Subject: Re: [kj] Killing joke and Communism

>>> >

>>> > I respectfully disagree. Socialism (the big S one?) is what existed in

>>> the

>>> > USSR and China and is hanging on in Cuba. They all maintained

>>> heirarchical

>>> > leadership, wage slavery and wage differences, and economic/political

>>> > classes. And in China and Russia they led to the current grotesque

>>> forms

>>> > of capitalism (rampant unemployment, crime, drugs, alienation, social

>>> > unrest, poverty). The other (small s?) or Euro-socialism certainly has

>>> > advantages (as displayed in the new Micheal Moore film) but maintains

>>> all

>>> > the bad parts of capitalism (unemployment, alienation,

>>> > crime, economic cylcles, top-down leadership, etc). I prefer communism

>>> > with a big C--summed up in a slogan I made up:

>>> > No wages (with all goods distributed according to need, not status),

>>> > No stages (as in stages from national liberation to socialism to

>>> > communism, which has failed in countless countries),

>>> > No borders (one world, one party, one flag),

>>> > No orders (all decisions made collectively).

>>> > A lot of this stuff can be found at www.plp.org...

>>> >

>>> >> From: folkdevil_23 at hotmail.com

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>From: Frank Frik 

>Subject: Re: [kj] Gathering Digest, Vol 45, Issue 126 s.man-- your

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>Marcel, do you know ,what these English Nationals saying here? That that 'joke' is better than Till Lindermanor and Cristian 'FLAKE' Lorenz! These English have no taste. Youtube now is full of Germans and they hit English badly. Which is GUT. These impostors here understand nothing apart of ONE Language. I will shortly AUSLOGGEN and would like advise you just do the same and do not waiste the time here.:)

> 

> Frank, Austria

>

>Marcel wrote:

> Hi there,

>

>Think u must mean me...

>I'm not sure for how long I've been registered with the gathering. Probably about 1 and a half or 2 years. 

>As a matter of fact I've never changed my identity and I never had any trouble with anyone. 

>I've only posted about 2 or 3 times. I remember delivering a translation of a small part of a german interview with Jaz and on another occasion I just stated that I got my money back from the gop account after an angry email. 

>I'm always keen on anything concerning KJ and company which is why I'm here and why I'm familiar with the stuff that went on in the web a bit (I knew about the earlier work of Jester R.I.P.)

>I just posted because I don't share Frank's opinion about Rammstein - I do like their album Reise, Reise -some good stuff on it and thanks to my parents I know that they have loads of references to literature in their lyrics I wouldn't have found. Also some of them display a bit of irony and are actually quite funny. Check out their video for "Keine Lust" which means something like "I'm not in the mood"

>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xxGOKVBvlo

>

>But all in all their scheme has been an extremely simple one: Metal riffing, melodramatic melodies, shock effects like harsh lyrics (sex and violence, oh, oh) cleverly playing with nazi-clichees and thus forcing the german press to deal with them. I remember a journalist observing a conservation between Jaz and Till who had named KJ as an influence before RS became a trademark themselves where Jaz started to talk about his usual themes and Till - rather confused - left looking for female "fans". lol.

>

>The reason I'm here - again - is that I think of myself as a diehard KJ fan although I haven't ben been involved with "the scene" very much and - please don't take this as an offence - I don't mean to. I just like to stay up to date.

>

>cheers from Germany, Marcel 

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>> 1. Re: (OT)Rammstein (Frank Frik)

>> 2. Re: (OT)Rammstein (ade)

>> 3. Re: Killing joke and Communism (Brendan)

>> 4. Re: new/fake- remasters-- names on the horizon?! ;-D

>> (melinda grant)

>> 5. Re: Killing joke and Communism (Brendan)

>> 6. Re: password (Frank Frik)

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>>Message: 1

>>Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 13:51:24 -0700 (PDT)

>>From: Frank Frik 

>>Subject: Re: [kj] (OT)Rammstein

>>To: "A list about all things Killing Joke \(the band!\)"

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>>Just don't you worry, ade. I will log off forever from 'your' site in a couple of days. Your 'tranlations...' What you know more apart English Language? When you learn minimum other 3 Languages, them I may/may not invite you in real webs and talk to real people.... also not only about your music.

>>

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>> -----Original Message-----

>>From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of Darren A. Peace

>>Sent: 22 August 2007 23:42

>>To: 'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)'

>>Subject: Re: [kj] (OT)Rammstein

>>

>>

>> I think that pretty well explains why I like them. They?re a completely soul-less band, and the guttural German goes so badly with the love songs (case in point : Ohne Dich, from the excellent ?Reise Reise?) that the songs become almost surreal. I really like ?Mein Teil? from the same album; anyone who can make a hit single from the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armin_Meiwes case gets my vote. ?Sehnsucht? takes a lot of beating as an album, as it features ?Speil Mit Mir?, one of the most bombastic, overly melodramatic tracks ever. A b-side called ?Hallelujah? is worth tracking down too, but may be offensive if you?re a Catholic priest and are familiar with German... No doubt Frank Frik, our convincing Teutonic visitor, could help out with those awkward translations. Alternatively, herzeleid.com is a good resource.

>> 

>> Darren

>> Hungerford, UK

>> 

>> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of ade

>>Sent: 22 August 2007 20:03

>>To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

>>Subject: Re: [kj] (OT)Rammstein

>>

>>

>> 

>> Sorry Rammstein fans - I think the word 'pantomime' describes them well 

>>

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>>Subject: Re: [kj] (OT)Rammstein

>>To: "A list about all things Killing Joke \(the band!\)"

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>>I can't wait Frank.. I really can't!!!

>> 

>>PS. Pete, didn't you say "don't ever mail me, ever again"? You love the attention though!!!

>>

>>-----Original Message-----

>>From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of Frank Frik

>>Sent: 23 August 2007 21:51

>>To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

>>Subject: Re: [kj] (OT)Rammstein

>>

>>

>>Just don't you worry, ade. I will log off forever from 'your' site in a couple of days. Your 'tranlations...' What you know more apart English Language? When you learn minimum other 3 Languages, them I may/may not invite you in real webs and talk to real people.... also not only about your music.

>>

>>ade wrote: 

>>

>>Never thought of it as a positive, but fair comment!

>>

>>-----Original Message-----

>>From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of Darren A. Peace

>>Sent: 22 August 2007 23:42

>>To: 'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)'

>>Subject: Re: [kj] (OT)Rammstein

>>

>>

>>I think that pretty well explains why I like them. They're a completely soul-less band, and the guttural German goes so badly with the love songs (case in point : Ohne Dich, from the excellent "Reise Reise") that the songs become almost surreal. I really like "Mein Teil" from the same album; anyone who can make a hit single from the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armin_Meiwes case gets my vote. "Sehnsucht" takes a lot of beating as an album, as it features "Speil Mit Mir", one of the most bombastic, overly melodramatic tracks ever. A b-side called "Hallelujah" is worth tracking down too, but may be offensive if you're a Catholic priest and are familiar with German... No doubt Frank Frik, our convincing Teutonic visitor, could help out with those awkward translations. Alternatively, herzeleid.com is a good resource.

>> 

>>Darren

>>Hungerford, UK

>> 

>>From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of ade

>>Sent: 22 August 2007 20:03


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