[kj] Killing joke and Communism

[Brendan]

Yeah well we'll see about that when The Manifesto is finished won't we! It
will be so NOT self destructive, it'll be, um, self-constructive...er.


>> Only capitalism is still enough self-destructive as a system that it

> does indeed require constant government oversight, regulations,

> investigations and the like. The idea that they should be allowed to all

> just police themselves, and we'll take them on their good word for it --

> that's just laughable. especially post-Enron, etc., but even before.

>

> I wouldn't single out capitalism as the only self-destructive system.

> They *all* are.

>

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net on behalf of B. Oliver Sheppard

> Sent: Mon 8/27/2007 1:16 PM

> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

> Subject: Re: [kj] Killing joke and Communism

>

> Employees have a constant risk in their employer; they take a risk in

> assuming he is competent to manage the business right. If he doesn't,

> the business fails. That is a risk workers take. When big business takes

> risk, they often want to be bailed out -- see current mortgage/housing

> crisis. But -- isn't risk-taking the manly-man thing under capitalism?

> you know, take the risk, if it doesn't pay off, it doesn't pay off?

> that's not the way really-existing businesses like it to be. Except for

> the poor -- they need the market discipline, etc. Themselves, they'd

> never refuse a good old fashioned bail out.

>

> Survival instincts are many -- they often include collaboration (a

> corporation is supposed to be a collaborative effort, you know --

> teamwork pep rallies and all that right? Rah rah go corpo-team! If this

> were behavior in any organization besdes a corporations, it might be

> called cult-like -- in fact the book _Corporate Cults_ does a great job

> of comparing corporations and their practices to those of cults),

> collective pooling of resources (what many mutual funds are based on,

> and indeed that's what medical insurance is in the US: when you join an

> insurance plan you are basically agreeing to subsidize members of that

> insurance plan who need the care more than you, etc.)

>

> Only capitalism is still enough self-destructive as a system that it

> does indeed require constant government oversight, regulations,

> investigations and the like. The idea that they should be allowed to all

> just police themselves, and we'll take them on their good word for it --

> that's just laughable. especially post-Enron, etc., but even before.

>

> -Oliver

>

>

>>     =======================================>     Message Received: Aug

>> 23 2007, 01:08 AM

>>     From: "GREG SLAWSON"

>>     To: ssssssssss at fsmail.net

>>     Cc:

>>     Subject: RE: [kj] Killing joke and Communism

>>

>>     How about paying people (CEOs) who do no work (well, ok, they go

>>     to meetings) hundreds of times what the people who actually do the

>>     work make...oh, right, they "take the risks" so they deserve it.

>>     Capitalist logic cracks me up. And, try finding any scientific

>>     evidence about a 'human survival instinct' that has anything to do

>>     w/capitalist behavior and I'll join the Libertain Party!

>>

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