[kj] OT: The Cure

[folk devil]

I remember seeing the Cure back up Gen X. To be honest it was wrong place 
and time...I still hightly rate the Pornography album..



>From: "Christof hamille" <wessidetempest at hotmail.com>

>Reply-To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the 

>band!)"<gathering at misera.net>

>To: gathering at misera.net

>Subject: Re: [kj] OT: The Cure

>Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 12:22:15 -0500

>

>I've seen them a bunch of times since the late 80s and they always put on a 

>good show.  Of course not high energy...but... And I would recommend not 

>going two or three tours in a row.  Same thing

>

>

>>From: "Brendan" <bq at soundgardener.co.nz>

>>Reply-To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the 

>>band!)"<gathering at misera.net>

>>To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" 

>><gathering at misera.net>

>>Subject: Re: [kj] OT: The Cure

>>Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 20:26:08 +1200 (NZST)

>>

>>I can recommend them highly, three hour concert, longest I've ever been to

>>from a single band, a real testament to them giving a shite about

>>themselves and their fans, and ALL of it was good.

>>

>> > Cheers for that, I've been out of touch with what he's been up to for a

>> > while.  The Cure always take me back to being a messed up goth.

>> > (Although I think I'm more messed up now than when I was a goth!)

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> > ________________________________

>> >

>> > From: gathering-bounces at misera.net 

>>[mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]

>> > On Behalf Of phatseanio

>> > Sent: 30 August 2007 00:20

>> > To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

>> > Subject: Re: [kj] OT: The Cure

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> > howdi......

>> >

>> > ....might be a chance Robert Smith sings with Paul Hartnoll (of ORBITAL

>> > fame),at the roundhouse,london on tues 4th sept,and manchester

>> > bridgewater hall wed 5th sept,seeing as he's guested on one of the

>> > tracks on his solo album THE IDEAL CONDITION....

>> >

>> > he's performing the album in full,tis quite a nice mix of synths &

>> > orchestral sounds......

>> >

>> > y'never know!!!!!

>> >

>> > he's also had a single out with the mighty shend from THE  CRAVATS on

>> > vocals this year......that took me back to being a messed up goth,I can

>> > tell you...........................!!!!!!!!

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> > sean

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> > On 8/28/07, Janean Lancaster <Janean.Lancaster at hopwood.ac.uk > wrote:

>> >

>> > Bit late replying to this one - been away.

>> >

>> > Anyway...

>> >

>> > <<<I went and saw The Cure last night, which is

>> > an extrememly rare treat in NZ, the last time they visited was 15 years

>> > ago.>>>

>> >

>> > I'm so jealous!  One of my favourite bands and still love them.

>> >

>> > <<< Fucking brilliant concert, sigh...I grew up on those guys. You lot

>> > in the

>> > UK, Europe and the 'States are fucking lucky to have bands like that

>> > playing every bloody Tuesday or whatever.>>>

>> >

>> > The Cure haven't played the UK since 2004, which was a paltry 90 minute

>> > set at a festival (paltry seeing as they are known for their 3 hour

>> > performances - I still loved it though), which is why I'm so jealous!

>> >

>> > They just don't seem to want to play at home anymore - probably because

>> > they can't pull large numbers into the arenas anymore.  Such a shame.

>> >

>> > No doubt when I'm over in NZ visiting my dad, The Cure will play the UK

>> > and I will be mortified...

>> >

>> > Cheers,

>> > Janean

>> >

>> > -----Original Message-----

>> > From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto: 

>>gathering-bounces at misera.net

>> > <mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net> ]

>> > On Behalf Of Brendan

>> > Sent: 14 August 2007 23:48

>> > To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

>> > Subject: Re: [kj] My Facebook

>> >

>> > Speaking about goths, haha, I went and saw The Cure last night, which 

>>is

>> >

>> > an extrememly rare treat in NZ, the last time they visited was 15 years

>> > ago.

>> >

>> > Fucking brilliant concert, sigh...I grew up on those guys. You lot in

>> > the

>> > UK, Europe and the 'States are fucking lucky to have bands like that

>> > playing every bloody Tuesday or whatever.

>> >

>> > Except when Armageddon comes me, Bongo and Jaz are all gonna be fine 

>>and

>> > you're all fucked, so get down here now, and bring Tool, Killing Joke,

>> > and

>> > all the other decent bands with you! And don't buy real estate below 

>>50M

>> >

>> > above sea level...

>> >

>> > ;p

>> >

>> >> Here are the 5 paragraphs that deal with Killing Joke in --

>> >>

>> >> Simon Reynolds' 402 page _Rip It Up and Start Again: Postpunk 1979 -

>> >> 1984_ (Penguin Books, 2005).

>> >>

>> >> The five paragraphs are in the section on goth near the end of the

>> > book:

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

>> >> "If Bauhaus, the Banshees, and the Birthday Party were the crucial

>> >> groups that bridged postpunk and Goth, Killing Joke was the fourth

>> >> cornerstone of the Goth sound and sensibility. Like the other three

>> >> bands, they started out as postpunk experimentalists. In Killing

>> > Joke's

>> >> case, that meant following PiL's lead. In 1980, singer/keyboardist Jaz

>> >

>> >> Coleman talked of wanting to keep the funk but strip away disco's

>> >> 'sugarshit' sheen, replacing it 'with mangled, distorted, searing

>> >> noise.' This element came from guitarist Geordie, who transformed

>> > Kieth

>> >> Levene's sound into something sulphuric, inhumane, practically

>> > inhuman.

>> >> Coleman added jabs of atonal synth and electronic hums, along with the

>> >> barked menace of his vocals, which sounded like he was choking on his

>> >> own fury. 'Tension music,' the group called it.

>> >>

>> >> "Initially, Killing Joke seemed vaguely political. Their striking

>> >> seven-inch sleeves and micro-ads in the U.K. music press grabbed the

>> > eye

>> >> with images of the pope receiving a Nazi salute from German troops or

>> > a

>> >> top-hatted Fred Astaire tap dancing over a trench full of World War I

>> >> corpses. The name Killing Joke, explained Coleman, condensed their

>> > whole

>> >> worldview into a single phrase, 'the feeling of a guy in the First

>> > World

>> >> War who's just about to run out the trenches ... and he knows his life

>> >> is going to be gone in ten minutes and he thinks of that fucker back

>> > in

>> >> Westminster who put him in tha position. That's the feeling that we're

>> >> trying to project -- the Killing Joke.'

>> >>

>> >> "Jaz Coleman was an unlikely protest singer, though. A high-caste

>> >> Brahman Indian on his mother's side, Coleman was wealthy, well

>> > educated,

>> >> and musically trained (after Killing Joke he became a classical

>> >> composer). In almost pointed contrast to Coleman's accomplishment,

>> >> Killing Joke was conceived as a barbarian entity. Paul Ferguson's

>> > beats

>> >> were tribal and turbulent. Starting with their second album, _What's

>> >> THIS For...!_ and reaching fruition on 1982's awesome _Revelations_,

>> >> Killing Joke shook off the PiL influence (all the dub and death disco

>> >> trappings) and emerged as something closer to Black Sabbath: doomy,

>> >> tribalistic rock that exulted in its visions of darkness and the

>> >> apocalypse.

>> >>

>> >> "Coleman saw Killing Joke's music as 'warning sounds for an age of

>> >> self-destruction.' The end was nigh ('I'll give it eighteen months,'

>> > he

>> >> said in 1981), but Coleman was glad. The aftermath was 'the period of

>> >> time I'm looking towards at the moment,' he said, when a new, brutally

>> >> instinct-attuned _un_civilization would emerge phoenixlike from the

>> >> smoking ruins. Coleman told NME, 'I see a more savage world ahead,

>> >> right? It's music that inflames the heart.' Fire was Killing Jokes

>> >> favorite of the four elements. They even recruited a fire eater, Dave

>> >> the Wizard, to do his act on stage with the band. 'Fire to me is

>> >> symbolic of the will power,' declared Jaz. 'I think the power of the

>> >> individual is really underestimated.' Yet it seemed more the case that

>> >> Killing Joke's music exalted the power of the mob.

>> >>

>> >> "Goth's appeal to the irrational and primal could sometimes stray into

>> >> troubling territory, something Killing Joke exemplified. Coleman's

>> >> rhetoric -- reveling in male energy, describing war as the natural

>> > state

>> >> of the world, jubilantly heralding Armageddon -- veered unnervingly

>> >> close to that dodgy zone between Nietzschean and Nazi. 'The violence

>> >> that is Killing Joke is about is not violence on the immediate level

>> > but

>> >> the _mass_ violence, the violence bubbling up underneath your feet,

>> > the

>> >> violence of nature throwing up,' Coleman solemnly proclaimed. 'And we

>> >> _become_ that violence.' Even some Goths felt there was a faintly

>> >> fascistic aura to the vibe catalyzed by Killing Joke at their gigs."

>> >>

>> >>

>> >> [from July 7, 2007 post to list]

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

>> >> B. Oliver Sheppard wrote:

>> >>> Actually, 5 paragraphs devoted to Killing Joke in Simon Reynolds bok,

>> >>> near the back, in the section on goth. And they're not very

>> > flattering

>> >>> paragraphs, really.

>> >>>

>> >>> (I posted all 5 paragraphs fromt he book to the list maybe a month

>> >>> ago. Reynolds said the Killing Joke -- and he spoke of them in the

>> >>> past tense, too -- were somewhere between Nietzschean and Nazi. No

>> >>> kidding.)

>> >>>

>> >>> -Oliver

>> >>>

>> >>>

>> >>>

>> >>>

>> >>>>>

>> >>>>> PS: I had another interview a day earlier with the culture editor

>> > of

>> >>>>> a reputable media outlet, and we similarly ended up talking about

>> >>>>> music. Turns out her husband is none other than Simon Reynolds, the

>> >>>>> celebrated music critic who wrote the arguably authoritative

>> >>>>> post-punk tome, "Rip It Up And Start Again" (75 pages devoted to

>> >>>>> Scritti Politti, 9 pages devoted to Killing Joke).

>> >>>>>

>> >>>>>

>> >>>>

>> >>>

>> >>

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