[kj] o/t Please sign the petition - it's too late

[jon chapman]

just 30 years each,no hanging no chair.......!  not 8. that's fair isnt it? but if it was my lad they killed,i probably wouldnt handle it too well and either slowly go insane,or i'd seek revenge big time,and before u say anything yes i know thats wrong. but i'm always wrong! 
 
 
 
 
 
 

> From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk> To: gathering at misera.net> Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 17:11:30 +0000> Subject: Re: [kj] FW: Please sign the petition - it's too late> > Oooh yes it is!> > > > > > No it's not!> >> > ----- Original Message ----> > From: jo <jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk>> > To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) > > <gathering at misera.net>> > Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 10:46:07 AM> > Subject: Re: [kj] FW: Please sign the petition - it's too late> >> >> > A debate is an argument.> >> >> >> >>> This is a no win argument isn't it?> >>> >> I thought it more a debate ! Oh well, now I know better.> >>> >> -----Original Message-----> >> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net> >> [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of Rob's Arse> >> Sent: 18 December 2007 14:13> >> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)> >> Subject: Re: [kj] FW: Please sign the petition - it's too late> >>> >>> >>> >> This is a no win argument isn't it?> >> My personal reaction would be entirely different I am sure.> >>> >> But if justice has not been done, then it is the judical system that> > is> >> wrong. Not the offenders.> >> What these boys did was hideous but each one of us should ask Are we> > the> >> same person we were when we were 10 years old?> >>> >> I know I am not. I know I have learnt a great deal and am thankful to> > my> >> parents, family amd community for making me who I am.> >>> >> If we do not forgive and accept wrong doing and the changes in> > people,> >> then how can we expect society to move on?> >>> >> An example of forgiveness - Nelson Mandella.> >> Convicted terrorist who instigated the use of violence in South> > Africa.> >>> >> Now I'm not comparing them for their crimes but using this as an> > example> >> of forgiveness, change and understanding.> >>> >> People change. These boys committed a crime, were given a sentence> > and> >> served it.> >> If that is not acceptable, let's change the system so that it does> > not> >> happen again.> >>> >>> >>> >> www.iamscuzzy.com www.myspace.com/scuzzywear> >>> >> --- pmdavies at gmail.com wrote:> >>> >> From: iPat <pmdavies at gmail.com>> >> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"> >> <gathering at misera.net>> >> Subject: Re: [kj] FW: Please sign the petition - it's too late> >> Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 13:12:23 +0000> >>> >> i can agree with you, but you are missing my point.> >>> >> its not about mr and mrs bulger dealing with their grief or wanting> >> punishment is it. Its the people who attatch themselves to that and> >> demand these things.> >>> >> Ade, i simply said why i wouldnt sign the petition, if you cant> > handle> >> that then thats your issue but doesnt mean i should not be part of> > the> >> debate.> >>> >> idealistic? who knows, but as you know im trained in various forms of> >> fighting from bare hands to weapons. If anyone attcks me or my> > familly> >> i will use those skills to serve the purpose. Thats personal> >> responsibility. I dont surrender my destiny to the state or others.> >> Nor though will i wallow in someone elses grief like people crowding> >> round a road crash.> >>> >> the concept of Justice is a based on what? the law? The morality of> >> Judea-Chritianity? im quite happy that these two will be monitored,> >> its not right what they did, but if there is no redemption you may as> >> well hand over the keys to the fascists who say they can identify in> >> primary school who is going to be the bad ones. Lock them up in> >> Guantamano Bay stylee and use the Bulger case as the justification> > and> >> those of the poulation drip fed on tv shows will feel that they> > really> >> are alive.> >>> >> You feed my son heroin and he dies then be aware ill knock on your> >> door someday. Doesnt mean i want some jackbooted devient to do it on> >> my behalf just to satisfy their impotence.> >>> >> On Dec 18, 2007 12:24 PM, ade <ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk> wrote:> >>> I disagree with yours & iPat's comments because they seem to factor> > out> >>> the original victim(s) completely.> >>>> >>> Why on earth wouldn't a mother kill to protect her young? If you> > can't> >>> grasp that, then it might be worth staying out of the debate.> >>>> >>> These replies seem very 'cold'. We'll never get rid of murder, so> > don't> >>> you think you're both being a little idealistic?> >>>> >>> iPat - idiots will always use something like this as an excuse to> >>> play-up. I'm not for vigilante's or chavs roaming the streets> > setting> >>> fire to paediatricians houses because they can't spell paedo!> >>>> >>> The reality is that there's a big emotional element to this, which> > needs> >>> to be factored in - you have to have a grasp of how the victims'> > families> >>> are affected (lives destroyed). Do they not count? If they don't,> > then> >>> NOBODY gets justice.> >> _______________________________________________> >> Gathering mailing list> >> Gathering at misera.net> >> http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> _____________________________________________________________> >> Free email at www.Z6.com ( and home of www.worldmap.com)> >> _______________________________________________> >> Gathering mailing list> >> Gathering at misera.net> >> http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________> >> Gathering mailing list> >> Gathering at misera.net> >> http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering> > _______________________________________________> > Gathering mailing list> > Gathering at misera.net> > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________> > Looking for last minute shopping deals?> > Find them fast with Yahoo! 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